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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2011, 05:04:43 PM »
Those of you that are arguing that cables make a difference in a digital application...  Do me a favor and crack open the case to your receiver and look at how the connector that you have you $1000 wire connected to your system with is wired on the inside.  Where is the weak link?  How much can a wire affect a digital audio signal when the plug is cold-soldiered to the board using the cheapest materials known to man?

The difference that is obvious is build quality but seriously, how often is an HDMI cable goofed around with once it is installed?

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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2011, 05:07:29 PM »
And the whole Blose vs. anything else arguement is growing tired.

Their's is the business of preying on the uninformed.  Is anyone arguing that you cannot do better for less?

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« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2011, 06:56:26 PM »
Me too....and it goes back to 1972.


 Ice,

  Do you still have the magna's,I remember them and almost bought a pair! Instead I got a set of EV's interface series "C" which came with a fequency slope equalizer. This made a dramatic difference depending on the music you were listening to.

  My buddy had a set of planars wayback but he prefered his KEF's over them,again music choice plays a big part. He drove them through a Tangent amp/pre setup that was fantastic,always wanted 1 of those but they were extremely limited.

  The vegas were never my cup of tea but a few friends owned those,funny how they'd end up at my place to listen to the EV's.... :lol

  these days I listen to an old set of Castles driven by an integra integrated amp. Still looking for a reasonably priced Thorens TT to play my vinyl on,passed 1 up atan auction last year,could have got it for $200 but it came with a complete system and the speakers were these accusound monsters that I didnt want to carry!  Still kicking myself over that seeing the prices on ebay these days!

 IMHO the 901's were the last quality piece made by bose and well those are about the same time frame as the magnaplanars,vegas and even my old EV's.




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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2011, 09:08:41 PM »

 Ice,

  Do you still have the magna's,I remember them and almost bought a pair! Instead I got a set of EV's interface series "C" which came with a fequency slope equalizer. This made a dramatic difference depending on the music you were listening to.

  My buddy had a set of planars wayback but he prefered his KEF's over them,again music choice plays a big part. He drove them through a Tangent amp/pre setup that was fantastic,always wanted 1 of those but they were extremely limited.

  The vegas were never my cup of tea but a few friends owned those,funny how they'd end up at my place to listen to the EV's.... :lol

  these days I listen to an old set of Castles driven by an integra integrated amp. Still looking for a reasonably priced Thorens TT to play my vinyl on,passed 1 up atan auction last year,could have got it for $200 but it came with a complete system and the speakers were these accusound monsters that I didnt want to carry!  Still kicking myself over that seeing the prices on ebay these days!

 IMHO the 901's were the last quality piece made by bose and well those are about the same time frame as the magnaplanars,vegas and even my old EV's.

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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2011, 12:50:51 AM »
Or if you're just looking for a decent starter deck/turntable you can look at something like the Rega RP1. 
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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2011, 01:19:26 AM »
I am just a rock and roll guy as long as it is loud that is good enough for me  :x.


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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2011, 04:23:26 AM »
And the whole Blose vs. anything else arguement is growing tired.

Their's is the business of preying on the uninformed.  Is anyone arguing that you cannot do better for less?
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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2011, 07:35:22 AM »
And the whole Blose vs. anything else arguement is growing tired.

Their's is the business of preying on the uninformed.  Is anyone arguing that you cannot do better for less?

I don't think anyone is arguing that, no.

I do think that some Bose systems sound "good enough", which leaves price as the major problem.  At that point the issue is if the price difference outweighs the amount of time an average person would have to spend researching sound systems, buying individual speakers matched to each other, his system, and his room, setting them up, and tweaking the output levels and cutoff frequencies.  My personal experience involved a 2 month process setting up the sound system for my first "home theater".  It is arguable that I would have gotten results that were pretty similar (accepting the usual small-speaker Bose deficiencies) by simply spending a few hundred more bucks on a Bose system (or any other high quality pre-baked system) instead of spending my time.  Hell, I don't watch TV or movies all that often and I have "good" hearing that has been somewhat degraded by exposure to very loud noise over the last 20 yrs, so as long as the sound levels are "balanced" and volumes match my room size, I most likely won't notice other minor variations or deficiencies in frequency response.  I WILL notice volume imbalances and spatial distortion nearly instantly however, and that's why it took a month for me to tweak my first real surround speaker setup.  A pre-made system will probably sound fairly good right out of the box as long as I don't put it in the wrong size room.

And that's the real argument, except it will ALWAYS get hijacked by the Bose haters who insist that no matter what your situation or considerations are, Bose is the product of the devil because of (insert various tech specs here).  Guess what - I've found that people who can afford an expensive sound system are often more time limited than cash limited, and a number of those people are going to be perfectly happy plugging in ANY pre-made surround speaker system because they don't have time to fiddle around with doing it right.  For those people, and there are a lot of them, Bose speaker systems are often going to sound great.  Yea it marks them as ignorant people with more money than brains...  But think about that.  They have more money than time.  I'd rather be one of "them" than have no money but all the time in the world to try to explain why my $1,000 hdmi cable solves all the HDMI spec deficiencies and can help prevent mythical "bottlenecks" in an all-digital media setup.

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« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2011, 09:04:20 AM »
The ignorant are the ones who don't do the research and buy Bose.
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Re: Customers Gleefully Mock Best Buy's $1,095.99 HDMI Cable
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2011, 11:18:46 AM »

 Ice,

  Do you still have the magna's,I remember them and almost bought a pair! Instead I got a set of EV's interface series "C" which came with a fequency slope equalizer. This made a dramatic difference depending on the music you were listening to.

  My buddy had a set of planars wayback but he prefered his KEF's over them,again music choice plays a big part. He drove them through a Tangent amp/pre setup that was fantastic,always wanted 1 of those but they were extremely limited.

  The vegas were never my cup of tea but a few friends owned those,funny how they'd end up at my place to listen to the EV's.... :lol

  these days I listen to an old set of Castles driven by an integra integrated amp. Still looking for a reasonably priced Thorens TT to play my vinyl on,passed 1 up atan auction last year,could have got it for $200 but it came with a complete system and the speakers were these accusound monsters that I didnt want to carry!  Still kicking myself over that seeing the prices on ebay these days!

 IMHO the 901's were the last quality piece made by bose and well those are about the same time frame as the magnaplanars,vegas and even my old EV's.




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Choosing the proper equipment to drive the speakers is easily as important as the speakers themselves.

If you get it wrong, it will sound bad regardless of price or reputation.

I got rid of the magnaplanars simply because of the space requirements and the fact that the room configuration at my house was not going to allow for them to work as good as they can.

We had many of them at "Enlightened Technologies" back in the early 90s by buying them from super rich customers when we installed a new "home theater" much like Bill Murray's theater in "Zombieland" into thier houses.

Most of them were compromised by the room or installation.........or were missing treble ("mg-1" lacks the ribbon tweeters of the later models)...........or were driven by the wrong equipment.

We compared Bose 901 and the Magneplanars of the same vintage (no ribbon tweeter) with the 901s and it was a dead heat with the Bose having more options in "working with the room" to find a configuration that worked best.

We also added a piezo tweeter array and tried a few subwoofers with both and it really woke them up.

We drove both with a multitude of amps and the bose sounded best using the stock equalizer with a Harmon Kardon citation 22 amp while the Magneplanars preferred a yamaha B2 power amp using my dynaco preamp.

Both were unbelievably loud.

Bose is all about making high SPL and high fidelity with the smallest possible package.

They do this using well designed enclosures and driver configuration and then equalize them to smooth out the peaks and valleys of it's frequency response.

Then you must push quite a bit of power through them.

It's both brute force and finesse that they use to overcome the small size.

Most people don't run nearly enough wattage into 901s and then complain the bass is muddy because thier amp isn't strong enough to control the drivers properly.

Most of the older 901 equalizers have capacitors that are leaking which can cause the fluid they leak to degrade the traces as well as cause shorts.

I re-capped a 901 equalizer that sounded ok but had leaking caps and it really changed the sound for the better.

My 901s finally died when I plugged a Boss DS-1 pedal into the tape head input of a harman kardon A250 epic tube amp, turned it to 11, and pushed the tremolo bar down on an early Kramer focus 1000 ("holy grail" banana headstock) until it fed back at a super low frequency............from 40 feet away.

I saw blue powder on the floor around the speakers and found the foam had gotten brittle with age and been ejected from all of the drivers.

They still worked and sounded ok even missing the foam.....bizarre.

Sadly, I am left with only my dynaco equipment and am getting by on normal consumer gear at this point.


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« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2011, 11:30:31 AM »
I work for a company that sells several audio lines including Bose, and I run into the anti-Bose arguments all the time.  I usually get asked if I would ever put Bose in my house, and the answer is usually no (I actually have some Bose computer speakers that I'm currently using).  I would never put Bose in my living room, but then again I'm a bit of a tweak, at times I've spent hours behind the equipment rack just making the wiring looking pretty only to rip it all out a couple weeks later because I bought a tube buffer and I need to decide whether it sounds better in line with my turntable or the CD player.

In short I'm not a Bose customer, but if my aunt, or parents came to me and wanted a system I'd give Bose a serious consideration unless I was prepared to be on tech support call 24/7.  It all depends in what you're looking for.

There is a group of people out there that can listen to and enjoy Bose and if it makes them happy then I'm not going to tell them their silly or stupid because they're not going to get flat frequency response down to 30hz.   In the end that's what matters, a person who is happy with their system, that's why we qualify our customers, so we can sell them a product that they'll be happy with.  Ask the right questions and it becomes obvious pretty fast what the appropriate way to go is, Bose or a component system.
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« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2011, 04:00:01 PM »
I'll agree with that.  What really irks me about the Bose people that they're like Apple people:  They think that their equipment is the end-all be-all and it's not.  The fact that they continuously throw the Bose name around and talk about how fantastic it sounds bothers me.  If you want an unobtrusive system that's easy to set up and sounds decent and you really don't care how much it costs, Bose is for you.  If you're actually interested in sound quality you can do better for less.

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« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2011, 06:32:04 PM »
 Soulyss, you hit it on the head!

  First off most people wouldnt know a good system if it slapped them in the face!

      We live with so much noise most dont even know they are hearing deficient.Earbuds,Ipods and the like are taking a toll on most peoples ears and by the time they're 30 have lost a substancial amount of hearing.

  I've been exposed to loud noise for years and lost the ears I had when I was into having a great sound system.It would be a complete waist for me to go and buy highend audio equipment these days as I couldnt hear the difference between it and a $1000 surround system.

  Iceman made a good point about bose and high SPL,IIRC they used to make a big deal about the 96Db at 1 meter at 1 watt thing back in they day. Problem was they never told you what the frequency was that accomplished this..... :rofl  I was told way back you cant drive a Cadilac with a pinto motor,this has nothing to do with cars,what he meant was you need a balanced system,not too much power to blow your speakers but enough to not clip the signal and blow your speakers..... :noid


  1 other point in this thread come to mind,ya I'd rather have all the money and little time too. :aok




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« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2011, 06:39:51 PM »
its amazing how good the low end stuff is these day though, I just auditioned a denon mini system with some danish? dali speakers. I wanted something small and cheap and couldnt believe how great it sounded for less than £400 :o
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« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2011, 09:08:08 PM »
its amazing how good the low end stuff is these day though, I just auditioned a denon mini system with some danish? dali speakers. I wanted something small and cheap and couldnt believe how great it sounded for less than £400 :o

Both Dali and Dynaudio are Danish and both make some fantastic speakers.    :rock
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