PERK THE LANCASTERS (in MWA)

[EVZ]

PLEASE!  I'm not sure how well the Lancaster is modeled for the game, but I'm pretty sure it was never used as a close support dive bomber, or employed to carpet bomb CVs. I don't think it was ever rated for acrobatics. It -is- a very usefull aircraft, but in reality had such poor defenses that it was limited to night bombing after daylight raids suffered 50%+ casualties. In AH it's practically invulnerable. It's the ONLY bomber that can White Flag a town with a single formation. Not sure what's being done with it in LWA? But I noticed it was perked at 450 points in EWA today. I'd like (at least) to see those people pulling these stunts PAY (stiffly) for the privilege. I'm not sure what the perks earned for killing Lancs are? But they SHOULD be significant.

[talos]

+1 for it being perked, maybe not as much as EW but i think it should be perked

[grumpy37]

I like the idea for the simple fact i think in the long run it would stop the bomb and bail dweebs in the arena.  It does have the worst defense out of all the bombers in MW which is the only negative to perking it i can see.  Some would argue the B17 or B24 should be perked but if you look at it from a usage standpoint perking the Lanc would have the biggest impact on game play in the arena.  If anything it needs an ENY of like 5 or 10 to prevent the 10-2 horde from bringing in 4 sets to a Vbase against 2 defenders.  


Now we will get the cries we are trying to change the game to suit our own style of play and not trying to make changes for the betterment of the game......  FLAME ON!

[Butcher]

Getting dive bombed by Lancs? Go fly CAP over whatever target its bombing, and stop whining.

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[Karnak]

Lancasters = free kills.  Perking them would be insane.

[Tank-Ace]

In MWA, I agree. Maybe a 5-10 perk price, just to make sure people aren't doing the bomb n' bail thing.


However, the lancaster is in no way 'invincible'. Even 109E's should be able to kill them given a bit of altitude for some speed.


Butcher, if its 2 on 10 then thats a tall order. Killing 30 bombers with just 2 people? Maybe even killing 24 bombers with just 1 person if your buddy has to defend against GV attack?

[Butcher]

In MWA, I agree. Maybe a 5-10 perk price, just to make sure people aren't doing the bomb n' bail thing.


However, the lancaster is in no way 'invincible'. Even 109E's should be able to kill them given a bit of altitude for some speed.


Butcher, if its 2 on 10 then thats a tall order. Killing 30 bombers with just 2 people? Maybe even killing 24 bombers with just 1 person if your buddy has to defend against GV attack?

People are going to bomb and bail, its been around since Aces High started, perking it just means people will choose the next best option like the B-24 or B-17, so that doesn't help.

If its 2 on 30 bombers, then you should of brought more buddies, I was strictly talking a single set or two, which is more common then "30"

[Tank-Ace]

You can't always bring more buddies in the MW arena. There not always that many people on.


Quite litterally, you're saying "sucks for you, should have taken it up with god". Our constitution is based on the principle that being strong (or in a possition of authority) doesn't mean you get to push the weak around.

And if its just a set or two.... yeah, no reason you shouldn't be able to take care of them.

But perk prices are intended to limit unbalancing aircraft, and the lancaster is a bit unbalancing in the MW arena. Quite often there aren't enough people opposing you to make heavy defensive armament nessecary, which means payload is the priority. The lancaster is the hands down best in that area, and in MW conditions, its a little bit unbalancing.

Therefore, the lancaster deserves a slight perking in the MW arena.

[Karnak]

A single Fw190, Bf110, Mosquito or P-38, all of which are readily available in the MWA, mean nigh certain death for the Lancaster formation.  Perk units ought to have at least a modicum of survivability.

[talos]

People are going to bomb and bail, its been around since Aces High started, perking it just means people will choose the next best option like the B-24 or B-17, so that doesn't help.

If its 2 on 30 bombers, then you should of brought more buddies, I was strictly talking a single set or two, which is more common then "30"

I'm not quite sure you understand whats going on in MW. Many times in MW a full flight of lances will drop straight down from about 6-7 thousand feet losing its drones to bomb a GV or town center, and still pull out of it and swing back around and do it again. That and combined with the fact that EVZ already put forth.....

It's the ONLY bomber that can White Flag a town with a single formation.

its for these reasons that it should be perked

A single Fw190, Bf110, Mosquito or P-38, all of which are readily available in the MWA, mean nigh certain death for the Lancaster formation.  Perk units ought to have at least a modicum of survivability.

you can survive in any plane as long as you smart enough to deal with the incoming enemy  (190s have weak wings, 110s and p38s are big and aren't that agile compared to other planes)

[EVZ]

However, the Lancaster is in no way 'invincible'. Even 109E's should be able to kill them given a bit of altitude for some speed.

From someone who doesn't play the game? hasn't been in the MWA arena in ? how long ?

You're RIGHT when you say - SHOULD be able to kill them - ... unfortunately that's NOT the way it works in MWA. I watched from a Gun today while a Lancaster formation killed 3 top ranked pilots attacking it and flew away without even a fuel leak. Another formation of Lancs, blew off his drones after taking out 4 VH hangers and Dive Bombed my M-18. I was defending the map room. This run he came straight down the barrels of my quad 50s 800, 600, 400, 200, before pulling out ... and the 50s were shredding parts off his plane all the way. He dropped to late and his bomb didn't arm ... So I lived to fill his tail full of 50s as he zoomed ... no evident damage, no smoke ... Next run was a repeat of the 1st, but he dropped a little sooner ... keep in mind this is all being done between tight canyon walls and this Lancaster is pulling up and hammerheading like a spitfire ... He got me but his inept teammates blew the base take. Lancaster = IL2 with 14 -1000 lb bombs & 4 motors ??? PERK IT!

[Lusche]

 

[Guppy35]

It's either that or   

[Seadog36]

You are new to the game, that is why you feel so victimized as demonstrated by all your posts. We all are when we start out and running endless m3s for your CO on late night milkruns will not make you a better player.

Slowly creeping up on the 6 of a box of lancs, even in your p-38 as you have experienced will get you killled in a hail of .303s every time, no matter what silly rank you or anyone else has in MW.  

Learn how to play better and you won't have to keep making chicken little posts like this about how to make MW safer for you in your fragile little m16. Put out supplies and learn how to shoot a more durable vehicle: an osti or a wirb and the low lancs will be history. There is a famous story being featured on PBS about Lancs making extreme "low level" dam busting attacks~ incidentally 8 of the 19 did not make it back~ downed by ack and enemy fighters. Soon there will be two additional 88 guns defending v-bases, ports and airfieds as well.

Lancs are very vulnerable to anyone who uses a little technique to dispatch them and they are the most destroyed aircraft in every arena~ look at the statistics. They do not need to be perked, and furthermore they are unavailable when eny goes up.

One day you will be thrilled for the easy kills when low lancs come rolling though on the horizon.

[Tank-Ace]

From someone who doesn't play the game? hasn't been in the MWA arena in ? how long ?

You're RIGHT when you say - SHOULD be able to kill them - ... unfortunately that's NOT the way it works in MWA. I watched from a Gun today while a Lancaster formation killed 3 top ranked pilots attacking it and flew away without even a fuel leak. Another formation of Lancs, blew off his drones after taking out 4 VH hangers and Dive Bombed my M-18. I was defending the map room. This run he came straight down the barrels of my quad 50s 800, 600, 400, 200, before pulling out ... and the 50s were shredding parts off his plane all the way. He dropped to late and his bomb didn't arm ... So I lived to fill his tail full of 50s as he zoomed ... no evident damage, no smoke ... Next run was a repeat of the 1st, but he dropped a little sooner ... keep in mind this is all being done between tight canyon walls and this Lancaster is pulling up and hammerheading like a spitfire ... He got me but his inept teammates blew the base take. Lancaster = IL2 with 14 -1000 lb bombs & 4 motors ??? PERK IT!

Look Jr., I've been here since '06, and have played for over 90% of that time. Unless the gameplay has changed in the past 5-6 months (it didn't change in any significant way for 6 years, so change now is highly unlikely, especially without any major additions or adjustments to spark that change). I may be taking a break, but I know what the hell I'm talking about, which is more than you can say.

1) I find it highly unlikely that a lancaster killed 3 planes piloted by 'top ranked' pilots without taking damage.

2) If you had guns on a lancaster (and 4 .50's even) for over 1000yds of flight time, and failed to even get him smoking, the problem is that you can't aim for hell.

3) what in gods name does that have to do with the 109.

The lancaster is no where near as tough as an Il-2. Its got lots of bombs, and big bombs, and it has a strong airframe, but its not in any way invincible.

Finally, I was saying that if the weakest 109 (and one of the weakest fighters in MW, period) can kill a lancaster, you should have no problems killing a lancaster in a 109G2, or a 190A5 or something.


Oh, and P.S., I'm agreeing with the need to perk it. Yeah, you're blowing things WAY out of proportion.... but the lancaster is still slightly unbalancing in the MW arena.