More cracks in scarebus wings

[Tupac]

And how many of those are operated by third world countries with a cavalier attitude towards maintenance?

[PR3D4TOR]

Let's single out the two most popular and produced airliners in the world today: The A320 and B737. Following is a list of accidents involving these two types for 10 years from 2000 to 2010. I've marked the airlines that are of suspect quality with italics.

Boeing 737 accidents - 34 in total.

05/03/2000   Boeing 737   Southwest Airlines N668SW (MSN 23060) Burbank, USA

19/04/2000   Boeing 737   Air Philippines RP-C3010 (MSN 21447) Davao, Philippines

17/07/2000   Boeing 737   Alliance Air VT-EGD (MSN 22280) Patna, India

03/03/2001   Boeing 737   Thai Airways HS-TDC (MSN 25321) Bangkok airport, Thailand

04/04/2001   Boeing 737   Royal Aviation C-GDCC (MSN 20681) St. John, Canada

22/05/2001   Boeing 737   First Air C-GNWI (MSN 21066) Yellowknife, Canada

16/09/2001   Boeing 737   Varig PP-CJN (MSN 21012) Goiânia airport, Brazil

14/01/2002   Boeing 737   Lionair PK-LID (MSN 20363) Pekanbaru airport, Indonesia

16/01/2002   Boeing 737   Garuda PK-GWA (MSN 24403) Yokyakarta, Indonesia

07/05/2002   Boeing 737   Egyptair SU-GBI (MSN 25307) Tunis, Tunisia

26/01/2003   Boeing 737   VASP PP-SPJ (MSN 21236) Rio Branco airport, Brazil

06/03/2003   Boeing 737   Air Algerie 7T-VEZ (MSN 22700) Tamanrasset airport, Algeria

08/07/2003   Boeing 737   Sudan Airways ST-AFK (MSN 21169) Port Sudan, Sudan

13/12/2003   Boeing 737   Aero Continente OB-1544-P (MSN 20956) Lima airport, Peru

19/12/2003   Boeing 737   Air Gabon TR-LFZ (MSN 23750) Libreville Airport, Gabon

03/01/2004   Boeing 737   Flash Airlines SU-ZCF (MSN 26283) Sharm el Sheikh, Egypt

11/08/2004   Boeing 737   Air Guinee 3X-GCM (MSN 23469) Freetown, Sierra Leone

28/11/2004   Boeing 737   KLM PH-BTC (MSN 25424) Barcelona Airport, Spain

08/03/2005   Boeing 737   Kam Air EX-037 (MSN 22075) Kabul, Afghanistan

14/08/2005   Boeing 737   Helios Airways 5B-DBY (MSN 29099) Grammatikos, Greece

23/08/2005   Boeing 737   TANS OB-1809-P (MSN 22580) Pucallpa airport, Peru

05/09/2005   Boeing 737   Mandala Airlines PK-RIM (MSN 22136) Medan, Indonesia

29/10/2006   Boeing 737   ADC Airlines 5N-BFK (MSN 22891) Abuja, Nigeria

01/01/2007   Boeing 737   AdamAir PK-KKW (MSN 24070) Sulawezi, Indonesia

13/01/2007   Boeing 737   RPX Airlines PK-RPX (MSN 20256) Kuching Airport, Malaysia

21/02/2007   Boeing 737   AdamAir PK-KKV (MSN 27284) Surabaya-Juanda Airport, Indonesia

07/03/2007   Boeing 737   Garuda PK-GZC (MSN 25664) Yogyakarta-Adisutjipto, Indonesia

28/06/2007   Boeing 737   TAAG Angola Airlines D2-TBP (MSN 23220) M Banza Congo Airport, Angola

30/12/2007   Boeing 737   TAROM YR-BGC (MSN 27181) Bucharest, Romania

24/08/2008   Boeing 737   Itek Air EX-009 (MSN 22088) Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan

30/08/2008   Boeing 737   Conviasa YV102T (MSN 21545) Toacaso, Ecuador

14/09/2008   Boeing 737   Aeroflot-Nord VP-BKO (MSN 25795) Perm, Russia

20/12/2008   Boeing 737   Continental Airlines N18611 (MSN 27324) Denver, USA

29/04/2009   Boeing 737   BAko Air TL-ADM (MSN 22264) Massamba, Congo Democratic Republic

13/04/2010   Boeing 737   Merpati PK-MDE (MSN 24660) Manokwari-Rendani Airport, Indonesia



Airbus A320 - 13 in total.

11/04/2000   Airbus A320   Mexicana F-OHMD (MSN 433) Minatitlan airport, Mexico

23/08/2000   Airbus A320   Gulf Air A4O-EK (MSN 481) Bahrain, Bahrain

07/02/2001   Airbus A320   Iberia EC-HKJ (MSN 1278) Bilbao airport, Spain

24/07/2001   Airbus A320   Air Lanka 4R-ABA (MSN 374) Colombo airport, Sri Lanka

28/08/2002   Airbus A320   America West Airlines N635AW (MSN 91) Phoenix airport, USA

03/05/2006   Airbus A320   Armavia EK-32009 (MSN 547) Adler/Sochi Airport, Russia

06/05/2006   Airbus A320   Armavia EK-32010 (MSN 632) Brussel-Zaventem Airport, Belgium

06/05/2006   Airbus A320   Armenian International Airways EK-32001 (MSN 397) Brussel-Zaventem Airport, Belgium

06/05/2006   Airbus A320   Volare Airlines SX-BVB (MSN 1992) Brussel-Zaventem Airport, Belgium

17/07/2007   Airbus A320   TAM PR-MBK (MSN 789) Sao Paulo-Congonhas Airport, Brazil

30/05/2008   Airbus A320   TACA EI-TAF (MSN 1374) Tegucigalpa, Honduras

27/11/2008   Airbus A320   XL Airways Germany D-AXLA (MSN 2500) Saint-Cyprien, France

15/01/2009   Airbus A320   US Airways N106US (MSN 1044) Hudson River, USA


Let's add the A321 also to be fair:

22/03/2003   Airbus A321   Transasia Airlines B-22603 (MSN 602) Tainan airport, Taiwan

28/07/2010   Airbus A321   AirBlue AP-BJB (MSN 1218) Near Islamabad, Pakistan


Sourse: http://www.airfleets.net/crash/stat_plane.htm

[Tupac]

and what are the hours flown of the different types?

[PR3D4TOR]

Why don't you look that up?

Even if you add the A330 and A340 series, that's just 10 more accidents in the same 10 years for Airbus.

[Babalonian]

I know attention spans are short these days, but read on til you reach the "Last 5 years" section.

Well, when you boil down to it, I've long admitted I'm a shameless boeing fan.  And I tollerate if not admire in some ways AB's products.... however AB also has a tendancy of poking my shameless pride for Boeing right in my arse when, oh say, their PR department comes out making statements along the lines of their products being unquestionabley the best or equal to the best on all levels.  From then on, it's as predictable as water rolling downhill with me, and when those statements then get proven wrong but people forget they were ever made... well, anywho.

Lastly, you are right, you have to make the comparisons between the two companies on equal grounds as you're pointing out - and even then both have very acceptable records compared to our societies other means of modern transportation.  

But still....  *evil shameless side emerges* you know Boeing's always 1-degree better, right?

[PR3D4TOR]

One degree either way is ok by me

[Babalonian]

Let's single out the two most popular and produced airliners in the world today: The A320 and B737. Following is a list of accidents involving these two types for 10 years from 2000 to 2010. I've marked the airlines that are of suspect quality with italics.

Boeing 737 accidents - 34 in total.

05/03/2000   Boeing 737   Southwest Airlines N668SW (MSN 23060) Burbank, USA

19/04/2000   Boeing 737   Air Philippines RP-C3010 (MSN 21447) Davao, Philippines

17/07/2000   Boeing 737   Alliance Air VT-EGD (MSN 22280) Patna, India

03/03/2001   Boeing 737   Thai Airways HS-TDC (MSN 25321) Bangkok airport, Thailand

04/04/2001   Boeing 737   Royal Aviation C-GDCC (MSN 20681) St. John, Canada

22/05/2001   Boeing 737   First Air C-GNWI (MSN 21066) Yellowknife, Canada

16/09/2001   Boeing 737   Varig PP-CJN (MSN 21012) Goiânia airport, Brazil

14/01/2002   Boeing 737   Lionair PK-LID (MSN 20363) Pekanbaru airport, Indonesia

16/01/2002   Boeing 737   Garuda PK-GWA (MSN 24403) Yokyakarta, Indonesia

07/05/2002   Boeing 737   Egyptair SU-GBI (MSN 25307) Tunis, Tunisia

26/01/2003   Boeing 737   VASP PP-SPJ (MSN 21236) Rio Branco airport, Brazil

06/03/2003   Boeing 737   Air Algerie 7T-VEZ (MSN 22700) Tamanrasset airport, Algeria

08/07/2003   Boeing 737   Sudan Airways ST-AFK (MSN 21169) Port Sudan, Sudan

13/12/2003   Boeing 737   Aero Continente OB-1544-P (MSN 20956) Lima airport, Peru

19/12/2003   Boeing 737   Air Gabon TR-LFZ (MSN 23750) Libreville Airport, Gabon

03/01/2004   Boeing 737   Flash Airlines SU-ZCF (MSN 26283) Sharm el Sheikh, Egypt

11/08/2004   Boeing 737   Air Guinee 3X-GCM (MSN 23469) Freetown, Sierra Leone

28/11/2004   Boeing 737   KLM PH-BTC (MSN 25424) Barcelona Airport, Spain

08/03/2005   Boeing 737   Kam Air EX-037 (MSN 22075) Kabul, Afghanistan

14/08/2005   Boeing 737   Helios Airways 5B-DBY (MSN 29099) Grammatikos, Greece

23/08/2005   Boeing 737   TANS OB-1809-P (MSN 22580) Pucallpa airport, Peru

05/09/2005   Boeing 737   Mandala Airlines PK-RIM (MSN 22136) Medan, Indonesia

29/10/2006   Boeing 737   ADC Airlines 5N-BFK (MSN 22891) Abuja, Nigeria

01/01/2007   Boeing 737   AdamAir PK-KKW (MSN 24070) Sulawezi, Indonesia

13/01/2007   Boeing 737   RPX Airlines PK-RPX (MSN 20256) Kuching Airport, Malaysia

21/02/2007   Boeing 737   AdamAir PK-KKV (MSN 27284) Surabaya-Juanda Airport, Indonesia

07/03/2007   Boeing 737   Garuda PK-GZC (MSN 25664) Yogyakarta-Adisutjipto, Indonesia

28/06/2007   Boeing 737   TAAG Angola Airlines D2-TBP (MSN 23220) M Banza Congo Airport, Angola

30/12/2007   Boeing 737   TAROM YR-BGC (MSN 27181) Bucharest, Romania

24/08/2008   Boeing 737   Itek Air EX-009 (MSN 22088) Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan

30/08/2008   Boeing 737   Conviasa YV102T (MSN 21545) Toacaso, Ecuador

14/09/2008   Boeing 737   Aeroflot-Nord VP-BKO (MSN 25795) Perm, Russia

20/12/2008   Boeing 737   Continental Airlines N18611 (MSN 27324) Denver, USA

29/04/2009   Boeing 737   BAko Air TL-ADM (MSN 22264) Massamba, Congo Democratic Republic

13/04/2010   Boeing 737   Merpati PK-MDE (MSN 24660) Manokwari-Rendani Airport, Indonesia



Airbus A320 - 13 in total.

11/04/2000   Airbus A320   Mexicana F-OHMD (MSN 433) Minatitlan airport, Mexico

23/08/2000   Airbus A320   Gulf Air A4O-EK (MSN 481) Bahrain, Bahrain

07/02/2001   Airbus A320   Iberia EC-HKJ (MSN 1278) Bilbao airport, Spain

24/07/2001   Airbus A320   Air Lanka 4R-ABA (MSN 374) Colombo airport, Sri Lanka

28/08/2002   Airbus A320   America West Airlines N635AW (MSN 91) Phoenix airport, USA

03/05/2006   Airbus A320   Armavia EK-32009 (MSN 547) Adler/Sochi Airport, Russia

06/05/2006   Airbus A320   Armavia EK-32010 (MSN 632) Brussel-Zaventem Airport, Belgium

06/05/2006   Airbus A320   Armenian International Airways EK-32001 (MSN 397) Brussel-Zaventem Airport, Belgium

06/05/2006   Airbus A320   Volare Airlines SX-BVB (MSN 1992) Brussel-Zaventem Airport, Belgium

17/07/2007   Airbus A320   TAM PR-MBK (MSN 789) Sao Paulo-Congonhas Airport, Brazil

30/05/2008   Airbus A320   TACA EI-TAF (MSN 1374) Tegucigalpa, Honduras

27/11/2008   Airbus A320   XL Airways Germany D-AXLA (MSN 2500) Saint-Cyprien, France

15/01/2009   Airbus A320   US Airways N106US (MSN 1044) Hudson River, USA


Let's add the A321 also to be fair:

22/03/2003   Airbus A321   Transasia Airlines B-22603 (MSN 602) Tainan airport, Taiwan

28/07/2010   Airbus A321   AirBlue AP-BJB (MSN 1218) Near Islamabad, Pakistan


Sourse: http://www.airfleets.net/crash/stat_plane.htm

And total airframe hours on each, please?....

[Tupac]

Well, when you boil down to it, I've long admitted I'm a shameless boeing fan.  And I tollerate if not admire in some ways AB's products.... however AB also has a tendancy of poking my shameless pride for Boeing right in my arse when, oh say, their PR department comes out making statements along the lines of their products being unquestionabley the best or equal to the best on all levels.  From then on, it's as predictable as water rolling downhill with me, and when those statements then get proven wrong but people forget they were ever made... well, anywho.

Lastly, you are right, you have to make the comparisons between the two companies on equal grounds as you're pointing out - and even then both have very acceptable records compared to our societies other means of modern transportation.  

But still....  *evil shameless side emerges* you know Boeing's always 1-degree better, right?

yeah I suppose I am a shameless boeing fan too.

+1

[PR3D4TOR]

One final nugget: With over 2,100 Airbus aircraft delivered to airlines in the United States since the handover of the first A300 to Eastern Airlines in 1978... How many accidents in the US with fatalities?

One.


ONE!


Yes, it's the infamous "tail fell off" accident.

[PR3D4TOR]

And total airframe hours on each, please?....

Why don't you look that up and share it with the rest of us?

[Yeager]

http://www.fearofflying.com/resources/safest-airliners-and-airline-safety.shtml

Too much load on the A380.  Just too much load..........cracks in the wing ribs this early in its life cycle spells serious trouble.

[Tupac]

Too much load on the A380.  Just too much load..........cracks in the wing ribs this early in its life cycle spells serious trouble.

 

[PR3D4TOR]

http://www.fearofflying.com/resources/safest-airliners-and-airline-safety.shtml

Too much load on the A380.  Just too much load..........cracks in the wing ribs this early in its life cycle spells serious trouble.

Cracks in the wing ribs?

[Yeager]

Cracks in the wing ribs?

Use your imagination willis. 

"Following an unscheduled internal inspection of an A380 wing, some rib feet have been found with cracks originating from the rib to skin panel attachment holes (Type 1 cracks according to Airbus All Operator Telex (AOT) terminology).

Further to this finding, inspections were carried out on a number of other aeroplanes where further cracks have been found. During one of those inspections, a new form of rib foot cracking originating from the forward and aft edges of the vertical web of the rib feet has been identified (Type 2 cracks according to Airbus AOT terminology). The new form of cracking is more significant than the original rib foot hole cracking. It has been determined that the Type 2 cracks may develop on other aeroplanes after a period of time in service.

This condition, if not detected and corrected, could potentially affect the structural integrity of the aeroplane."

[VonMessa]

Use your imagination willis. 

"Following an unscheduled internal inspection of an A380 wing, some rib feet have been found with cracks originating from the rib to skin panel attachment holes (Type 1 cracks according to Airbus All Operator Telex (AOT) terminology).

Further to this finding, inspections were carried out on a number of other aeroplanes where further cracks have been found. During one of those inspections, a new form of rib foot cracking originating from the forward and aft edges of the vertical web of the rib feet has been identified (Type 2 cracks according to Airbus AOT terminology). The new form of cracking is more significant than the original rib foot hole cracking. It has been determined that the Type 2 cracks may develop on other aeroplanes after a period of time in service.

This condition, if not detected and corrected, could potentially affect the structural integrity of the aeroplane."

I know that, when I am forming wing ribs and spars, they cannon have any surface scratches that I can detect with my fingernail.  This would be the most likely place for cracks to start.