Bf109E3 skin Franz von Werra (W I P)

[Krusty]

I think white crosses are a false interpretation of the photo.

It's got some bleed out and it looks like it wasn't developed all the way. Photography chemicals and emulsions were in their infancy at the time and this is why many photos are not so clear from that time. I would say that the cross on that wing has the black on it, but the photo is of such quality that the image didn't show up too well for the upper wings. Maybe it's a combination of the film quality and perhaps sand covering the wings (it doesn't look "normal" and something covering the wing makes a bit of sense). This could be lowering the contrast and making it hard to tell the difference between the green and the black.

Go with the black in the cross. Also note the photo shows the lichtblau is sprayed up over the leading edge of the wing just a bit. This is not the first plane I've seen that on for this time frame.

You can find another example here:
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articles/camo/bob/bob_camo.htm
(down a bit)


Here's a different JG3 plane from late 1940:



Note the black crosses. It was the national symbol for their air force. They all followed that pattern at this time.

[Devil 505]

Kazan, the simplified style cross you have was not introduced until 1942. I was also used in conjunction with the simplified fuselage cross which was usually filled with the darkest cammo color.

You should use type 1 cross on the upper wing.

[Kazan_HB]

update without bump mapping

[TwinBoom]

  very good my new skin when i fly E

[Butcher]

Enough with the Emil porno dude, next up you will be putting "sheep" next to it on the runway and selling a calender.

[Krusty]

Erm... One thing... You've got the "underside" crosses copied to the top of the wing. They were 2 different sizes and styles for uppers/lowers. Just in case you hadn't spotted that already

[Greebo]

This skin is coming along great Kazan, but there are a couple of little things I've noticed about it. Shouldn't the spinner have a much bigger centre hole on an E? Also it looks like the cowl MG troughs are the wrong shade of green.

[Kazan_HB]

Small update
bump mapping on

[Raphael]

call 911 I'm having a heart attack! looking great!!!

[Kazan_HB]

Thank you! 
I need some time.
This is not yet finished

[Devil 505]

Looks great. 

I do see two issues though.
1. You still have the incorrect cross on the upper wings. You need this one.
2. The placement of red and black on the spinner should be swapped. Look at the picture of the crashed aircraft, the band on the rear of the spinner is lighter than the wedge that runs to the tip.

[Krusty]

Also... aside from the recurring cross problems, let me ask you something:



Where are the huge massive dome rivets all over the fuselage and wings?



Even here, shot down, crashed, you don't get such massive dome-head rivets.

Those are flush rivets. If you're going to add rivets that otherwise were invisible from any angle, you have to do it in moderation. You balance it so that it adds something but not so much it takes over.

Your rivets are extremely overly done. I know this is subjective, but it looks a bit bad.

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Also... aside from the recurring cross problems, let me ask you something:

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Where are the huge massive dome rivets all over the fuselage and wings?

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Even here, shot down, crashed, you don't get such massive dome-head rivets.

Those are flush rivets. If you're going to add rivets that otherwise were invisible from any angle, you have to do it in moderation. You balance it so that it adds something but not so much it takes over.

Your rivets are extremely overly done. I know this is subjective, but it looks a bit bad.

I don't want to......


but I have to agree

[Kazan_HB]

Also... aside from the recurring cross problems, let me ask you something:

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Where are the huge massive dome rivets all over the fuselage and wings?

(Image removed from quote.)

Even here, shot down, crashed, you don't get such massive dome-head rivets.

Those are flush rivets. If you're going to add rivets that otherwise were invisible from any angle, you have to do it in moderation. You balance it so that it adds something but not so much it takes over.

Your rivets are extremely overly done. I know this is subjective, but it looks a bit bad.

Believe me this is only the shadow. The rivets are not too big
Look at the picture my 109e. Are really too big?
This is a compromise. When I make small bump mapping. Then you can not see this.
 I know the rivets were almost flat (aerodynamics).
 This give a good question.
We need bump mapping? 

[Krusty]

The shadow is part of it just as the bump mapping is. The shadow makes it look much more like giant dome head rivets.

That's just the wings, though. The non-shadowed rivets up and down on the sides seem way too dark/prominent as well.


2 other things that might be noted already:

1) You have some white line or miscoloration on the front windscreen armor.

2) Your upper cowling mottling does not tile along the seam very well. You will need to map it so that it's seamless. It's quite possible, just takes a little trial/error/checking to get right.