KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?

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They model it based on war-time accurate performance, not post-war super-fuel. The Japanese didn't have that kind of fuel.

damn learn something new everyday 

gotta give it up to those who put this game together

[nrshida]

What does 'dissed' mean please?

Remarkable is the engine's ability to produce those high power figures on that crappy fuel. The Nakajima Homare engine had a higher BMEP than the Daimler Benz 605 so it's hardly surprising what it could do on race fuel.

The American test was conducted with a later model Ki-84 by the way, we have the Ko (Ki-84-Ia) Early Production. This is the poorest performing Hayate if you discount the emergency materials models.

I've never lost a wing part in a high g turn. The structure is very strong as the wing was integral with the central fuselage section. You should be wary of exceeding 450 m.p.h. however as control surfaces can randomly shed. If you are diving at those speeds though you really are missing the point of this aircraft.

The Spitfire Mark XVI in my experience slightly out turns (except at very low speeds), out climbs, out accelerates, out dives, out runs and has better energy retention than the Hayate. This is exasperated above 7k where the supercharger loses effectiveness. However you can't do donuts on the runway in a Spitfire.

Incidentally, the flaps are wrong in Aces High, someone should fix those.

[Bruv119]

What does 'dissed' mean please?

dis-respected,  un-loved.  

A good KI-84 pilot is a worthy adversary for my Spitfire.   I think most players do regard it with contempt because it has it's unique quirks that turn most away from it.   The shredding of parts and compression when diving makes it hard for the average AHer to put his nose down and runaway at the first sign of trouble.  The twitchy stall when yanking too hard.  

You have to let people come to you and then trap them by fighting up hill and getting those beast mode flaps out whilst keeping them out with fine throttle control, then any poor un-suspecting hot shot will be wishing he hadn't just turned into you.

It's tough apart from the tail (you can say that about most planes) packs some punch with the cannon and the x2 50's are like incendiary rounds from 200 yards or less.      

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dis-respected,  un-loved.  

A good KI-84 pilot is a worthy adversary for my Spitfire.   I think most players do regard it with contempt because it has it's unique quirks that turn most away from it.   The shredding of parts and compression when diving makes it hard for the average AHer to put his nose down and runaway at the first sign of trouble.  The twitchy stall when yanking too hard.  

You have to let people come to you and then trap them by fighting up hill and getting those beast mode flaps out whilst keeping them out with fine throttle control, then any poor un-suspecting hot shot will be wishing he hadn't just turned into you.

It's tough apart from the tail (you can say that about most planes) packs some punch with the cannon and the x2 50's are like incendiary rounds from 200 yards or less.      

it really is a tough bird, I have been straight up amazed at how much it can take and still fly away.

I also believe because of the lacking of high speed, that's why it don't get flown as much.

[nrshida]

dis-respected,  un-loved.  

Oh thanks. I do not diss it myself.

[PR3D4TOR]

Just as the P-51D, Spitfires XIV and XVI, Tempest and Mosquito Mk VI are not modeled with 150 octane.  The Axis is not singled out in not getting the best fuel.

Would be nice to get 150 avgas as a perk option.

[Ruah]

typical double standard when it comes to some planes - thy should model reliability too while thy are at it - it would ruin some planes.

in any case, the ki is a fantastic plane and I use it often as do a lot of pilots.

[Widewing]

Would be nice to get 150 avgas as a perk option.

When I fly the Ki-84, I don't feel outclassed by any other conventional fighter. I don't mind being lower, because I'll simply fight going up. Diving isn't a problem as long as you don't over-stress the airframe. It doesn't suffer from compression per se, its elevators just stiffen up. You can overcome that by flying with manual trim, trimming the nose up a bit.

It's a damn good ride, especially after you learn to overcome its few minor weaknesses.

[Karnak]

Incidentally, the flaps are wrong in Aces High, someone should fix those.

Please clarify this comment.  I have looked for information about the flaps as I just can't believe the combat setting was really limited to 167mph.

[PFactorDave]

Please clarify this comment.  I have looked for information about the flaps as I just can't believe the combat setting was really limited to 167mph.

I've always wondered about this also. 

[Oldman731]

When I fly the Ki-84, I don't feel outclassed by any other conventional fighter. I don't mind being lower, because I'll simply fight going up. Diving isn't a problem as long as you don't over-stress the airframe. It doesn't suffer from compression per se, its elevators just stiffen up. You can overcome that by flying with manual trim, trimming the nose up a bit.

It's a damn good ride, especially after you learn to overcome its few minor weaknesses.

All these things, and what Nrshida said ("I've never lost a wing part in a high g turn. The structure is very strong as the wing was integral with the central fuselage section. You should be wary of exceeding 450 m.p.h. however as control surfaces can randomly shed. If you are diving at those speeds though you really are missing the point of this aircraft").  I found that learning the Frank took some practice, but once you get the hang of it, it's absolutely AH's best dogfighter. 

We had an AvA setup a few years ago pitting Spit 8s and 16s against the Frank.  Halfway through the week the squad we were practicing with (BKs, IIRC) switched sides.  The Frank came out on top either way.

- oldman

[PR3D4TOR]

When I fly the Ki-84, I don't feel outclassed by any other conventional fighter. I don't mind being lower, because I'll simply fight going up. Diving isn't a problem as long as you don't over-stress the airframe. It doesn't suffer from compression per se, its elevators just stiffen up. You can overcome that by flying with manual trim, trimming the nose up a bit.

It's a damn good ride, especially after you learn to overcome its few minor weaknesses.

I was more thinking of making 100/150 octane avgas available to the allied rides and C3 for the DB605 powered German and Italian rides as a perk option. If we're getting perk ord/guns, why not perk fuel if it was historically available, even if in very small quantities (Japan). 150 avgas was certainly available in significant quantities, and so was C3, the 109's just weren't given priority since all the BMW 190's needed it. However I've seen photos of 109's with C3 stickers on them.

[JunkyII]

I flew it about 3 tours straight about a yeaar and a half ago...

Cannons don't have great range but when your going for snapshots they a great just like the K4. It is awesome plane to reverse your normal MA perch grabbers because it can zoom quite well.

I won't merge at speeds more then 360, If I'm going faster then that I'll extend up and away because the plane won't move quite the way you want it to. Under 360 my merges with it are aggresive especially in the MA. With it's vert a turn radius you can normal finish off an opponent pretty quickly.

IMO it is great in a stall, very easy to control the nose and make shots.


Only downfalls...high speed handles....AND IT NEEDS AN UPDATE HTC

[pervert]

Best all round plane in the game, its also the easiest to fly imo probably more so than the spitfire. Apart from its high speed handling it doesn't really have a bad point.

[Spork]

Best all round plane in the game, its also the easiest to fly imo probably more so than the spitfire. Apart from its high speed handling it doesn't really have a bad point.

I would beg to differ. The B-38 is obviously the best all around plane.

But I hate a well flown Ki-84.  

Seriously though, its a great plane. Love flying it when I get an itch for a Jap plane. Only one I will fly