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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2012, 08:55:26 AM »
that is because jaegr1 works his bellybutton off trying to give players what they want. he really does listen, and try to adjust to requests. the funny thing is how many people say "if you make XX setup, me and my squad will be there."......he makes that setup, and guess who doesn't show?

Rarely ever works. Most have no idea what they really want.

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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2012, 09:05:05 AM »
I will add that back when the AvA was first created as the Combat Theater I was one of the initial regulars and joined a CT squadron, the 27th Sentai, to have fun and provide opposition for the players who dream of "Marianas Turkey Shoots", but after awhile is soured due to elitist attitudes and persistently rigged settings.  Even now I see the same kind of stuff.  The final straw for me was the whole "We're better than you because we don't use icons and you're all just gamers who don't care about history!" crap.
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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2012, 09:11:58 AM »
I know there are some who only want to dogfight for the sake of dogfighting. Then there are some who want to see some larger strategy or point.

The former still is available if there is the latter, but if there is only the former, then there is nothing for bomber pilots to do, nothing for jabot pilots to do and nothing for tank drivers to do.

To me, what would be ideal is if we could have win the war resets and map rotation based on other factors or combinations besides base capture.

An AI mission system could be a game changer. People wouldn't generally like to dogfight AI fighters, but AI could help a lot if only to have recurring AI bomber missions for real pilots to both escort and intercept.

« Last Edit: April 30, 2012, 09:42:22 AM by jimson »

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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2012, 09:54:57 AM »
Now that Combat Tour is on hold perhaps a bottle of you know what, should be sent to HiTech.
Perhaps his whistle will be so whet, the AI programming and map rotation may just appear in the AvA. :x
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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2012, 10:16:31 AM »
  I've tried AVA and liked it. Any Gver who missed the battle at the bridgehead should be sobbing.  :cry  20+ players that night was plenty.

  As the MA stagnates some are looking for options. There has been action in WW1 on Saturday nights. The AVA has more than "Zero" many nights. The Scenerio Saturday had quite a few walkons. Those that are bored with the MA rinse and repeat are going to find other interests in this game or another.
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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2012, 11:07:55 AM »
You know, I really enjoy flying in the main arena.  I'm quite happy to fly there and FSO's and a few scenariors, I need nothing else.  I am certainly not against adding more to my gameplay and have been to the AVA on rare occasions.  I responded to this post because I always see advertisements/invitations from the guys that do work hard to populate the arena.  That looks to me like you guys want to grow the arena.

This is what I can tell you, the arena as it is does not draw me in.  Changeing something might draw me in.  It is for you to decide how to grow the arena with new guys and still keep the old, if that is what you want to do.

You also may recall, awhile back, there was a set up that drew myself and the squad I am in, VMF-222.  You may also recall that we were not exactly welcomed, the reason being, the "regulars" did not like our gameplay.  We flew as a squad, with some altitude, and played the game.

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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #51 on: April 30, 2012, 11:17:49 AM »
Tuesday night--AVA Staff Squad night!, come on in and bring your friends. We'll all be there to welcome you with open arms and lead bullets. all squads welcome. 9pm EST.

lets see you all put your money where you mouth is. we'll be there, will you?

you want missions? we'll even set one up for you if you like. players choice. be there or be square!

« Last Edit: April 30, 2012, 11:19:45 AM by captain1ma »

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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #52 on: April 30, 2012, 11:49:08 AM »
I will add that back when the AvA was first created as the Combat Theater I was one of the initial regulars and joined a CT squadron, the 27th Sentai, to have fun and provide opposition for the players who dream of "Marianas Turkey Shoots", but after awhile is soured due to elitist attitudes and persistently rigged settings.  Even now I see the same kind of stuff.  The final straw for me was the whole "We're better than you because we don't use icons and you're all just gamers who don't care about history!" crap.
It was very stand up of the VF-27 Hellcats to split the squad and create the 27th Sentai to better the arena. And I agree, the bias shown towards the Allies in those days was a little much. Glad those responsible moved on.

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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2012, 12:26:14 PM »
Icepac, if nothing else, you generated a great discussion :)

I'm going to elaborate a bit on what he and I discussed via pm just for the sake of education.

Much of what Icepac has suggested, the AvA has done.  Jimson and others have been very clear that while going out of their way to jump at suggestions, those who suggested it did not bother to participate once the effort was made.  That kills the enthusiasm for those who put their time in.

The "easy" part is what I had the most difficult time swallowing.  That is where the comment was just wrong.  It is not easy. Yes, the guys can set up the arena for a rolling planeset, but it is not something that can be done both automated and "easy".  The maps are based on a 3 sided war, the maps are written with a default setup.  Comparing what some other sim might have done based on how their arena is configured makes about as much sense as arguing what to expect from an orange based on how the apple is grown.  

Now, I suggested that icepac has the ability to do anything he wants in the custom arena.  Go build a map with the original war planeset.  Go build more maps because each map with the period has to be built with the default settings that when loaded, has the planeset he wants.  Then tell us how easy it is.  Then, when it is all said and done, have the AvA go through the same effort of building an entirely new terrain set for a rotating default map system, isolated from the rest of the servers so that only the AvA terrains are used in the auto rotation system.

Think that's going to happen without some major commitment for attendance?  No, it isn't, considering now you have HTC that has to reconstruct that one single server to function differently than every other server that is built.  So now you are back to the manual effort which is where there is an AvA staff in the first place.
Now tell THEM, who volunteer their time, and have jumped at other ideas, set them up, had no support, tell them just how easy it is and what they should do differently.

But don't you tell them that until you have built your own custom arena, with your own terrains, and made it work to the point that is is overflowing and you need more room.  Then, tell them how easy it is.

That was my only point this whole time.  Know what you are talking about before you start spending other peoples time.  Ideas are one thing, but to sit back without knowing how things really work and tell others how easy it is, well, go show us how easy it is :)

There is a terrain forum that can teach you how to build terrains and how they work.  There is a custom server forum that teaches you how to build the arenas.  Every player in here has the tools to do exactly what they want if us slower kids don't take your idea and run with it.   :aok

I welcome ideas regarding scenarios and events, love to hear the players insight, we are after all building these events for you, but please, don't talk about things you don't know and spend our time so freely.  
« Last Edit: April 30, 2012, 12:38:04 PM by ROC »
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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2012, 12:28:49 PM »
Tuesday night--AVA Staff Squad night!, come on in and bring your friends. We'll all be there to welcome you with open arms and lead bullets. all squads welcome. 9pm EST.

lets see you all put your money where you mouth is. we'll be there, will you?

you want missions? we'll even set one up for you if you like. players choice. be there or be square!



OK, thanks for the invitation.  That is tomorrow night so I'm gunna post in our squad forums your invitation.

Since you have offered, here is what would interest us.  The planeset for the next FSO.  I don't mean to make your baby a "practice" arena for FSO's but heck, if it makes the AvA popular, why not.  (not saying it will, I'm clueless)

I'm posting this on our Forum NOW.
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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2012, 12:30:07 PM »
It was very stand up of the VF-27 Hellcats to split the squad and create the 27th Sentai to better the arena. And I agree, the bias shown towards the Allies in those days was a little much. Glad those responsible moved on.
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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2012, 01:00:43 PM »
Since you have offered, here is what would interest us.  The planeset for the next FSO.  I don't mean to make your baby a "practice" arena for FSO's but heck, if it makes the AvA popular, why not.  (not saying it will, I'm clueless)
This is a pretty good idea, but the big problem is that FSOs last a month and AvA just a week. This months FSO is Battle of Britain, how would you keep intrest in the AvA arena with such a limited planeset? Maybe use a similar setup in the AvA the week before the first FSO frame. But that is just one week in a month, and that doesn't really help the AvA whole. I'm sure the AvA staff would like the arena to have an identity beyond "FSO practice arena".
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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2012, 02:08:15 PM »
OK, thanks for the invitation.  That is tomorrow night so I'm gunna post in our squad forums your invitation.

Since you have offered, here is what would interest us.  The planeset for the next FSO.  I don't mean to make your baby a "practice" arena for FSO's but heck, if it makes the AvA popular, why not.  (not saying it will, I'm clueless)

I'm posting this on our Forum NOW.


you're in luck, while we dont change the planeset on a whim, all those planes from bob, happen to be active in the AVA on tuesday night. See you then! ill be the one with bells on and a sheep in the back seat! check your 6!

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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2012, 03:40:28 PM »
The bias is still there, but it isn't so much for the Allies as for the Americans first and the Germans second.
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Re: Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"
« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2012, 03:50:45 PM »
OK, thanks for the invitation.  That is tomorrow night so I'm gunna post in our squad forums your invitation.

Since you have offered, here is what would interest us.  The planeset for the next FSO.  I don't mean to make your baby a "practice" arena for FSO's but heck, if it makes the AvA popular, why not.  (not saying it will, I'm clueless)

I'm posting this on our Forum NOW.

you know that he tried something like that too? when winter sky death ground was getting off to a start, they set up the arena as a practice for this.
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