Please rename "Axis vs Allies" arena to "SEA 3"

[CAP1]

Therein lies the rub. Everyone wants to fly their Late War hotrods with lots of cannons. If they can't get them, they won't come in. So, the first 3/4 of your RPS schedule will be virtually empty. (Which is why Early War and Mid War are lacking in numbers. It's not the skill level of the people, it's the lack of Late War hotrods that go 500Mph and have big cannons).

 actually, i think there's other reasons those arenas are lacking numbers.

 soooaarrrrr like a bird...........

[Lusche]

(Which is why Early War and Mid War are lacking in numbers. It's not the skill level of the people, it's the lack of Late War hotrods that go 500Mph and have big cannons).

It's a tad more complex than that

[ImADot]

actually, i think there's other reasons those arenas are lacking numbers.

 soooaarrrrr like a bird...........

Well, numbers breed numbers. If more people had the patience to fly something that can't fly 400+ and wasn't loaded for bear, more people would be in there. More people means less tomfoolery being allowed by any one squad.

It's a tad more complex than that

I don't think it's a lot more complex...a little, but not much. I realize that the Late War crowd generally looks down upon every other arena, and the players that frequent them, as a waste of server resources and filled with skill-less second-class citizens. It's that attitude that is the bane of this game and one reason for the percieved decline in new subscriptions and the general downfall of gameplay.

[CAP1]

Well, numbers breed numbers. If more people had the patience to fly something that can't fly 400+ and wasn't loaded for bear, more people would be in there. More people means less tomfoolery being allowed by any one squad.


I don't think it's a lot more complex...a little, but not much. I realize that the Late War crowd generally looks down upon every other arena, and the players that frequent them, as a waste of server resources and filled with skill-less second-class citizens. It's that attitude that is the bane of this game and one reason for the percieved decline in new subscriptions and the general downfall of gameplay.

a bunch of us used to. i think i used to fight you in there a lot. that is of course when there was actually fighting in there. unfortunately, i was part of the problem i think in the ew arena, as i was in one of the squads that liked to take bases at any cost.....including avoiding a fight. i got out of that squad. they left, and there was one group that'd go take bases....if they encountered resistance, they'd go attack another. this i feel is a large part of what killed ew. those planes are a blast to fly.
 mw is suffereing the aftermath of nearly the same thing, but the squads were different. once people develop a new habit(in this case flying lw hotrods), they'll rarely go back, even though they could still kick butt in the older rides.
 then they come to mw to farm for perks. i had a member call me a fairly nasty name in mw a few months ago, because i shot down her bombers. she said she needed the points......and i presume that she expected me to simply fly past a nice juicy meal. 

[ImADot]

and there was one group that'd go take bases....if they encountered resistance, they'd go attack another.

Yep, that's my point. If there were more people flying in there, those types of squads wouldn't be able to hide so easily, taking bases from the side with nobody on it.

then they come to mw to farm for perks. i had a member call me a fairly nasty name in mw a few months ago, because i shot down her bombers. she said she needed the points......

And that's why HTC should re-work the perk system so you can only spend them in the arena where you earn them. But that's a whole other discussion for a whole other thread.

[CAP1]

Yep, that's my point. If there were more people flying in there, those types of squads wouldn't be able to hide so easily, taking bases from the side with nobody on it.



And that's why HTC should re-work the perk system so you can only spend them in the arena where you earn them. But that's a whole other discussion for a whole other thread.

 they're also part of what chased people like you and me away though. it sucks to fly 15 minutes, seeing a sea of red to dive into, and they all run away, or auger, and go to another base. now ya hafta fly again to find them, only to have the same thing happen.

 i'd like to see more people in there.

 yea, that is an idea that should definitely happen.....but you're gonna upset some folks with crazy talk like that.

[ink]

what times are the AvA most busiest ?

getting really tired of the run and come back only when your enemy is engaged with someone else 51 and typhy drivers

[jimson]

Ink, right now Tuesday nights starting 9pm est are best.

I'll never guarantee what player behavior will be, since that's out of control.

[ink]

Ink, right now Tuesday nights starting 9pm est are best.

I'll never guarantee what player behavior will be, since that's out of control.

Thanx I may show up tonight

as far as the player "behavior" goes, I have a feeling the ones there will be there for the fight, but even still, the way it is set up the planes are comparable to each other...so I wont have to worry about that "style" of play I was talking about that is so frequent in the MA's now.

[icepac]

Sorry, you don't get to chose what I address simply because you don't like the answer.  

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You have been arguing a point that hasn't existed since the first page of this thread.

It's not part of the wish and hasn't been since the first page of this thread.

I'll venture that 50% of the current aces high population was not around to experience your references to previous arena configurations featuring a rolling planeset.

Are you speaking for them........who have yet to experience this........that they can't have an arena that favors planeset realism?

Your arena sits empty.

Let's try new things...........or at least things that would be "new" to the large portion of aces high subscribers who weren't around to experience what you campaign so strongly against.

[Slate]

  I wonder if HTC could make the EW Arena the default for 2 weekers to enter the game and if they subscribe it would unlock the next level. (MW Arena) Then all the noobs would at least have a chance against each other.
   It would have to go with the Idea of Arena limited perks or the Noobs would be slaughtered by Perk Farmers. 

[captain1ma]

I'll venture that 50% of the current aces high population was not around to experience your references to previous arena configurations featuring a rolling planeset.

Are you speaking for them........who have yet to experience this........that they can't have an arena that favors planeset realism?

Your arena sits empty.

Let's try new things...........or at least things that would be "new" to the large portion of aces high subscribers who weren't around to experience what you campaign so strongly against.

if you check the wishlist there are people that keep asking for a 2 sided war arena--hence the AVA. as one of the AVA admins, we've always been open to suggestions, possible setups and stuff to do, whenever asked by people from the community. we even have been known to cater to some when requested. just this week karnack suggested a different spit to be uses in the setup, we changed it for him. granted we still haven't seen him, but we've setup gamecams in the arena and are hoping for a sighting.

we have also setup the the arena based on requests and no one has showed up. we get people telling us how to run the arena, what to do, why we should do it, and then they never once come in. we run rolling planesets several times a year, we run objective based setups several times a year.

with all the hoopla and commotion from this thread we will probably have people coming in and checking it out. that's always a good thing.
we have tuesday night staff squad night. last night we had 30 people in there at one point. it was a hoot. funny though, we didnt notice icepac in the roster? thats ok, we're still hopeful for a sighting also.

the point is there are quite a few peopie that use the AVA. Jetweek is coming. if you ever wanted to fly free jets, thats the time to check it out. its a fun week and heavily populated.

if you know people that havent experienced a rolling planeset, tell them to come in there. keep an eye on the AVA forum and the general forum. we always announce what we're doing for the week. if we get a large squad that wants to do squad night in there, we'll set it up for them for one night. you'll find the AVA admins very flexible. you want a rolling planeset? so go in the AVA forum. design it the way you want, we'll help you, and then advertise it and get the 50% that have never experienced it in there.


<edit>  next week i'm running a rolling planeset based setup. planes will be determined by objectives reached. they will also be determined by the players. keep your eyes on the AVA forum for details, although i will announce it in here too. it wont be 1939-1945, but it will encourage guys that like the latewar planes.

[Wiley]

Really guys!  It'll work this time! 

Icepac, there are perfectly serviceable custom arenas available.  If you're so convinced if they build it they will come, why not prove them wrong by setting up an RPS arena?  Show them the numbers are there.  It's easy, right?

Wiley.

[Slash27]

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You have been arguing a point that hasn't existed since the first page of this thread.

It's not part of the wish and hasn't been since the first page of this thread.

I'll venture that 50% of the current aces high population was not around to experience your references to previous arena configurations featuring a rolling planeset.

Are you speaking for them........who have yet to experience this........that they can't have an arena that favors planeset realism?

Your arena sits empty.

Let's try new things...........or at least things that would be "new" to the large portion of aces high subscribers who weren't around to experience what you campaign so strongly against.

Honestly you need a bit of a clue. ROC isn't responible for the AvA so don't lay it's numbers at his feet. He is trying to explain without success the reason why some of what you suggest cannot be done. ROC is on the CM Staff, the CM Staff ( Special Events) and the AvA Staff are two entirely different groups. ( I'll let you guess which is the bastard child) And don't assume the AvA Staff is not willing to try something new. That doesn't hold water. If you want to join the AvA Development Group and spitball ideas with them let me know. It will be taken far more seriously than any of this.

[Shuffler]

The maps don't matter?  I think now you are just being deliberately argumentative.  Of course they matter.  I thought you said you wanted an automated system? If you do, then the maps are created with the default planes built in.  The ONLY way you will get a map to load automatically with a certain plane set is to create the map with those planes built in.  Of course they matter.  If you don't do it that way, you have no choice but to have the AvA guys manually change the manually created tables and set the arena up.

You said this was easy, I went on the assumption you knew what you were talking about. 

Now you want a Month accurate planeset, I'm confused, you started out saying that when the war was won you wanted the new rolling planeset to automatically load up.  It was easy, remember?

You are changing your argument again, you really need to focus.  I'm pretty much done with you though, you aren't willing to accept that concept that you might not know what you are talking about but are convinced everyone else is wrong.  Can't teach anyone anything that way.

Ranger makes great maps..............