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Offline Rich46yo

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One front, two countries only.
« on: July 08, 2012, 08:40:12 AM »
 I think they should limit the game to two countries. Having in effect two different fronts to fight on, with three countries fighting, is making this game go unbelievable stale and boring. When it had the numbers, the arenas, and less GV'ers, it wasnt as much a problem. But now? Now you can have 350 players on and possibly not one decent dar bar on your side. So your then stuck playing the very boring GV game. Otherwise know as "dodge the camping Tiger lobbing from 2,000 meters away".

There should be only one fighting front and two sides. Who knows? There might even be better air combat instead of the "pick or be picked" choices of the game now.

Seriously this game is becoming a big bore. I find myself signing on for a few sorties and then leaving. There have been just to few meaningful game play changes or updates. Im just hanging around to see the 410 and new Stuka and who knows when they are coming out.
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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2012, 08:45:30 AM »
Two sides is far more likely to end up with a long term numbers imbalance.
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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2012, 08:47:11 AM »
Two sides is far more likely to end up with a long term numbers imbalance.

Agreed. This has been brought up before many times. It is extremely unlikely this will happen.
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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2012, 08:50:08 AM »
Two sides is far more likely to end up with a long term numbers imbalance.

Dont see why. ENY would still be in place and many like perked rides.
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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2012, 12:25:11 PM »
You already have a two country war
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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2012, 01:01:02 PM »
Two sides is far more likely to end up with a long term numbers imbalance.

Why?


I could posit that three sides exacerbates hording; whichever side has fewest numbers, by chance, gets attacked by both of the other sides, immediately doubling the numbers imbalance.  What statistical law can you cite to support two sides being more imbalanced? 

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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2012, 01:03:20 PM »
Why?


I could posit that three sides exacerbates hording; whichever side has fewest numbers, by chance, gets attacked by both of the other sides, immediately doubling the numbers imbalance.  What statistical law can you cite to support two sides being more imbalanced? 
I don't know why, but it does.  HiTech has tried two, three and four sides.  He says that three works best, so...
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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2012, 02:06:39 PM »
I see it like this.
Imagine a 400person game.
If side 1 has 250-300 and side 2 has 100-150 thats WAY unbalanced. in a 2/1 - 3/1 odds.

In a 3way game, is side 1 has 200 side 2 has 150 and side 3 has 50, well the odds are S1-S2 almost 1/1, S1-S3 4/1 and S2-S3 3/1.
While its not fair for side 3 if side 3 and 2 pin on side 1 the odds jump to 1/1 with side 2 possibly being weakend if side 3 has better pilots, side 3 may still defy the end result 3/1 odds.

3 way is the way to go.

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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2012, 02:16:11 PM »
Dont see why. ENY would still be in place and many like perked rides.


Because, ENY doesn't work. 100 I-16's will still wail the crap out of 30 La-7's.


That and we have the oddities of ENY listing, like the 109K (ENY 20. For comparison, the 110G is at ENY 15, IIRC), a couple of the spitfires (Mk VIII and IX, I think), 190A5 and A8 (ENY 25), 109G-14 (ENY 25), 109G2 and G6 (ENY 30), P-38J (ENY 20), P-51B (IIRC, its at ENY 15 or 20), C.205 (ENY 25), La-5 (ENY 20), Yak-9 (ENY 20), and others.
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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2012, 02:47:57 PM »

Because, ENY doesn't work. 100 I-16's will still wail the crap out of 30 La-7's.


ENY is meant to restrict plane types and in that role, it works. 100 I-16s v 30 La-7s is better than 100 51Ds or F4U-4s, either way low side is boned though  :lol.


That and we have the oddities of ENY listing, like the 109K (ENY 20. For comparison, the 110G is at ENY 15, IIRC), a couple of the spitfires (Mk VIII and IX, I think), 190A5 and A8 (ENY 25), 109G-14 (ENY 25), 109G2 and G6 (ENY 30), P-38J (ENY 20), P-51B (IIRC, its at ENY 15 or 20), C.205 (ENY 25), La-5 (ENY 20), Yak-9 (ENY 20), and others.


Are you saying that the ENY on these a/c is too high?
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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2012, 03:03:02 PM »
Actually, if the skill levels of the La-7s and I-16s are parable I think it would be a turkey shoot for the La-7s.
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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2012, 04:34:20 PM »

Because, ENY doesn't work. 100 I-16's will still wail the crap out of 30 La-7's.


That and we have the oddities of ENY listing, like the 109K (ENY 20. For comparison, the 110G is at ENY 15, IIRC), a couple of the spitfires (Mk VIII and IX, I think), 190A5 and A8 (ENY 25), 109G-14 (ENY 25), 109G2 and G6 (ENY 30), P-38J (ENY 20), P-51B (IIRC, its at ENY 15 or 20), C.205 (ENY 25), La-5 (ENY 20), Yak-9 (ENY 20), and others.

There is nothing wrong with the P-38J's ENY value.

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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2012, 05:12:31 PM »
There is nothing wrong with the P-38J's ENY value.

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I agree 90% of the people that fly them are easy kills and only flown due to high eny.


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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2012, 05:21:15 PM »
There is already imbalance with 3 sides. Often with numbers but also often with combat. Ive been on many times and seen one front very active and one front kinda dead. Sure you can switch sides but then you have the 24 hour rule and cant switch back till the next day.

A large side imbalance is fine with me as long as 262s, 29s, Mossie bombers, U-4s, and Tiger-lls, are cheap.
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Re: One front, two countries only.
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2012, 05:21:42 PM »
Hey Rich....good to see ya sir  :aok :salute
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