Spitfire Mk VIII and Mk IX

[Tank-Ace]

see that's the thing, we you say "we" are missing x or y plane.  you arent missing x or y plane.  you are missing all of them.


semp

"we" as in the AH community. If you're going to start getting on my case for my use of the word "we", then I'm going to start saying that I am missing thing that haven't been added yet, or that it would be cool if I could use this in the game, and add you to the ignore list.


Honestly, you're being stupid about this. Post about something that is relvent to the topic, and is at least SLIGHTLY important, and quit being a dick.




Challenge, where overall range comes in to play is that planes like the P-51 can use WEP for climb out, and not shoot themselves in the foot as far as loiter time goes.

With a 109K, you burn 10 minutes of WEP in climb out and transit, and your loiter time has dropped noticably.



My typical loadout on the 109K was 75% fuel and a DT. Even with that, I couldn't stick with the fight as long as P-51's, or Ki-84's. Why? Cause I had to drop the drop tank, or kill my preformance.



@ Karnak: You can sorta use the 109's as escorts, even long-range, you just gotta be REALLY smart about it. I've done strat raid escorts, although I plotted it out so I could land on a CV and cut my return trip by over half its length. Just drop the throttle till you're doing 300ish level, so you can keep up with the bombers.

[Chalenge]

Again... both Karnak and Guppy are passing comments on topics they do not take part in and cannot speak from experience. Now Karnak is even talking in circles.

Why not just start your own wish and request a hard ceiling of 15k for everyone?

Who convinced the tank guy that WEP is for climbing anyway? 

[BaldEagl]

Who convinced the tank guy that WEP is for climbing anyway?  

It's actually a good idea and if you're not doing it you're just putting yourself at a disadvantage.  In case you didn't know WEP recharges and as long as water temps don't go into the red zone recovery is relatively quick.

Challenge, where overall range comes in to play is that planes like the P-51 can use WEP for climb out, and not shoot themselves in the foot as far as loiter time goes.

With a 109K, you burn 10 minutes of WEP in climb out and transit, and your loiter time has dropped noticably.



My typical loadout on the 109K was 75% fuel and a DT. Even with that, I couldn't stick with the fight as long as P-51's, or Ki-84's. Why? Cause I had to drop the drop tank, or kill my preformance.

Nonsense.  In the Spits I WEP for the first 7.5K from field alt and in any German plane including the K4 I WEP for the first 10K from field alt (2-3 minutes... if you're WEPing for 10 minutes on climbout that's just stupid.  Both climbouts mentioned are on auto climb).  In either one I still get 45 minutes without managing throttle mich.  In the Spits I'm 100% internal with a slipper and in the K4 100% clean.  Managing throttle once at alt can get you an hour or more.

With judicious throttle management I can fly a 163 2-3 sectors, get in a fight and RTB to my starting base.  The point is any plane in AH can fly forever.  Exceptions might be the LA's, the Ratta and the Spit V before the sipper was added... and the 163.

[guncrasher]

"we" as in the AH community. If you're going to start getting on my case for my use of the word "we", then I'm going to start saying that I am missing thing that haven't been added yet, or that it would be cool if I could use this in the game, and add you to the ignore list.


Honestly, you're being stupid about this. Post about something that is relvent to the topic, and is at least SLIGHTLY important, and quit being a dick.




Challenge, where overall range comes in to play is that planes like the P-51 can use WEP for climb out, and not shoot themselves in the foot as far as loiter time goes.

With a 109K, you burn 10 minutes of WEP in climb out and transit, and your loiter time has dropped noticably.



My typical loadout on the 109K was 75% fuel and a DT. Even with that, I couldn't stick with the fight as long as P-51's, or Ki-84's. Why? Cause I had to drop the drop tank, or kill my preformance.



@ Karnak: You can sorta use the 109's as escorts, even long-range, you just gotta be REALLY smart about it. I've done strat raid escorts, although I plotted it out so I could land on a CV and cut my return trip by over half its length. Just drop the throttle till you're doing 300ish level, so you can keep up with the bombers.

see that's the point you havent played in a long time so you dont really know how the game has changed in the arenas other than what you hear here on the bb.  so when you give an opinion about something that you think will affect the game, well you really dont have an informed opinion since you dont really play the game.  btw you are welcome to add me to your ignore list since i am adding you to mine.  not trying to be a dick but seeing pictures of the game is not the same as playing the game.


semp

[Noir]

maybe only the spit14 could get a larger drop tank, so we can actually use it at its best altitude 

[Chalenge]

It's actually a good idea and if you're not doing it you're just putting yourself at a disadvantage.  In case you didn't know WEP recharges and as long as water temps don't go into the red zone recovery is relatively quick.

Yes I think I realized that WEP returns after the engine cools a LONG time ago.

Using WEP on the climbout puts you at the disadvantage which is where you went wrong in your thinking. If you get bounced when your engine is hot and the enemy is nice and cool... you are toast. Using WEP in the P-51 doesnt give you enough of an increase in rate of climb to make it worth your while. Using WEP also increases your fuel burn rate except in some aircraft like the P-47.

I guarantee thats not the only mistake you are making.

@Noir: Just what alt are you talking about? The 14 can get to about 37k without trouble and even though it will go higher I sincerely doubt you have need for more altitude. A November model or 152 would be better for anything higher.

The problem I see in the LW more often than not is that any serious defense is usually met with bypassing to an undefended field. Just tonight we fought a concentrated defense against superior odds and despite some losses the enemy was dealt loss after loss and never could do enough damage to pose a threat. So they went to a base and closed it with CV guns and then capped and vulched. We were upping Spit 1s and Hurr 1s and still they refused to engage except with superior odds and lots of altitude advantage.

And that is why I fly the P-51 and that is why we need more fuel. So we can run their scared sissy butts down!

[Hap]

maybe only the spit14 could get a larger drop tank, so we can actually use it at its best altitude 

[Karnak]

Again... both Karnak and Guppy are passing comments on topics they do not take part in and cannot speak from experience. Now Karnak is even talking in circles.

Why not just start your own wish and request a hard ceiling of 15k for everyone?

Who convinced the tank guy that WEP is for climbing anyway? 

Did you even read what I wrote?  If so your response makes no sense.

[LCADolby]

The Spit14 needs the larger slipper tank, without it, it isn't worth the price in perks. The damn thing has horrible flying characteristics as is.

[Karnak]

I still don't know why British Merlins have to wait 10 minutes to get a full five minutes of WEP back and American Merlins only have to wait 5 minutes to get 5 minutes of WEP back.  Makes using WEP for climb out a highly iffy thing.

[RTHolmes]

you're kidding 

[Karnak]

you're kidding  

Nope.

IIRC the German engines have 10 minutes of WEP that recharges fully in 5 minutes.


It does put a fairly big ding in the Spitfire Mk XIV and Mosquito Mk VI WEP monsters.

[RTHolmes]

wow I never knew that, thats dreadful. thought it was just the power limits that were biased to US aircraft in some cases.


I can explain why though - the US aircraft limits are based on US manuals and the Brit limits on Brit manuals. generally the Brits were way more conservative on limits for exactly the same engines than the US. dig out the manuals for the aircraft used by both USAAF/USN and RAF/FAA and you'll see what I mean.


still doesnt explain The Case of the Mysterious Disappearance of the Lancaster's WEP though

[Guppy35]

Again... both Karnak and Guppy are passing comments on topics they do not take part in and cannot speak from experience. Now Karnak is even talking in circles.

Why not just start your own wish and request a hard ceiling of 15k for everyone?

Who convinced the tank guy that WEP is for climbing anyway? 

I sure wish you weren't so defensive when I reply. You seem to assume I'm arguing with you even when I'm not.  Can you please explain what this is that I can't speak to from experience in this game?

You didn't answer my question btw.  Are you suggesting the 170 gallon ferry tank should be available in AH?

[RTHolmes]

btw I havent seen many manuals that allow full WEP climbing (low airspeed = no cooling).


edit: I wonder how many players fly their main rides "by the book"?