109 vs Spitfire

[Debrody]

Im curious about your opinions, about the historical matchups.
109E vs Spit1
109F vs Spit5
109F vs Spit9
109G2 vs Spit9
109G14 vs Spit8
109K4 vs Spit14
and the bonus, Franz vs Spixteen : )

Thanks in advance.

[VonMessa]

If you are asking which plane is sexier, the Me's win in all match-ups.

That is all.

[Debrody]

I agree with that, Messa, im just curious about the players opinion about their flight performance and usability against each other, let it be 1v1 or many vs many.
Would be especially interesting to hear the Spitfire pilots thoughts.

[Lusche]

Not a opinion but just a

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LW 2011: ME vs Spit 'historical' encounters

109E vs Spit1        5:3
109F vs Spit5      58:43
109F vs Spit9   216:288
109G2 vs Spit9   344:373
109G14 vs Spit8   828:875
109K4 vs Spit14    249:196


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edit: 109E numbers had been swapped, fixed

[Karnak]

Im curious about your opinions, about the historical matchups.
109E vs Spit1
109F vs Spit5
109F vs Spit9
109G2 vs Spit9
109G14 vs Spit8
109K4 vs Spit14
and the bonus, Franz vs Spixteen : )

Thanks in advance.

Seeing as you asked about historical matchups, I will deviate from your list:

Spit I is narrowly superior to Emil
Franz is superior to Spit V
Spit IX is superior to Franz
Spit IX is superior to Gustav 2
Spit VIII is very much superior to Gustav 6
Spit XVI is superior to Gustav 14
Spit XIV is narrowly superior to Karl

The Bf109F and Spitfire Mk VIII are the high water marks for each series.

[Noir]

The stats reflect well my opinion, but I would say the emil is better than the spit1 for practical reasons (carburators, cannons)

[Latrobe]

Not a opinion but just a

***statistical snippet***

LW 2011: ME vs Spit 'historical' encounters

109E vs Spit1        5:3
109F vs Spit5      58:43
109F vs Spit9   216:288
109G2 vs Spit9   344:373
109G14 vs Spit8   828:875
109K4 vs Spit14    249:196


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edit: 109E numbers had been swapped, fixed

Dang, looks like I have some more work to do in the 109F. 

[Oldman731]

Spit I is narrowly superior to Emil
Franz is superior to Spit V
Spit IX is superior to Franz
Spit IX is superior to Gustav 2
Spit VIII is very much superior to Gustav 6
Spit XVI is superior to Gustav 14
Spit XIV is narrowly superior to Karl

I agree with this.  That said, two of the matches are very good (Spit I v Emil, 109F v Spit V) and usually produce excellent fights.  I haven't flown the 14 enough to judge whether it's a good match for the K4.  The other fights aren't even close.

- oldman

[Ardy123]

I agree with this.  That said, two of the matches are very good (Spit I v Emil, 109F v Spit V) and usually produce excellent fights.  I haven't flown the 14 enough to judge whether it's a good match for the K4.  The other fights aren't even close.

- oldman

I believe the spit has the edge in a close-in dog-fight as one would have in the DA in all cases except for the k4/spit14.

[Debrody]

Here is my opinion:
i like turning and for me, the Spit5 vs 109F isnt even close due to the Spitfire's much better maneuverability. In the other hand, i found the Spit16 vs 109F or the K4 vs Spit14 much more entertaining as the german muscle has a bit slower stall speed but the british steel has raw turn rate advantage.

[Karnak]

I don't think that the stats between the Spitfire Mk XIV and Bf109K-4 are useful.  As a perk plane the Spitfire Mk XIV doesn't typically have pilots who are comfortable with it and it also gets gang banged.  I suspect many of those Bf109K-4 kills on Spitfire Mk XIVs happen in the context of a gang bang of the Spitfire Mk XIV.  Certainly that is how I recall my last Spitfire Mk XIV vs Bf109K-4 fight happening.

[Lusche]

I don't think that the stats between the Spitfire Mk XIV and Bf109K-4 are useful.  As a perk plane the Spitfire Mk XIV doesn't typically have pilots who are comfortable with it and it also gets gang banged.  

As a perk plane, it also has a drastically reduced share of 2 weekers   The chance of running into someone with some beasic experience (or even dedicated to it) is much higher.

And it doesn't get more or less gang banged than any other Spit. It's just another Spit in icon beyond 800 anyway, and you never hear ppl screamin "it's a 14! it's a 14!" like they do when the Typhoon is turning out to be a Tempest ...

[Karnak]

As a perk plane, it also has a drastically reduced share of 2 weekers   The chance of running into someone with some beasic experience (or even dedicated to it) is much higher.

And it doesn't get more or less gang banged than any other Spit. It's just another Spit in icon beyond 800 anyway, and you never hear ppl screamin "it's a 14! it's a 14!" like they do when the Typhoon is turning out to be a Tempest ...

Aren't Tempests about five to ten times as common a sight in the MA as compared to the XIV?

[Chalenge]

Noobs chose the 14 often not realizing what they have done.

[LCADolby]

Not a opinion but just a

***statistical snippet***

LW 2011: ME vs Spit 'historical' encounters

109E vs Spit1        5:3
109F vs Spit5      58:43
109F vs Spit9   216:288
109G2 vs Spit9   344:373
109G14 vs Spit8   828:875
109K4 vs Spit14    249:196

Interesting stats, I'm surprised by the Spit5 vs F, because 1 on 1 the spit has the F by the Tojo.