Gun control laws do they work ?

[zack1234]

who whould they execute crimalals once caught?  Thats takeing money out of the "system"

I would

And I would have a pot of Tea and biscuits waiting at home

It would be free of charge obviously

[Ardy123]

In reality, these gun-related crimes are infrequent, scattered, and random.  They are far from a realistic day-to-day threat for 99.999% of Americans.  We're threatened far more by texting drivers, drunk drivers, white-tailed deer, insects, and the potential that we may fall out of bed or down a flight of stairs in our home.

My point exactly... there were about ~12000 homicides due to gun violence for a population of 300,000,000. That is about a .004% chance of being involved in gun violence.

[zack1234]

They were not criminals until they went on their rampage...

See: James Holmes

They are criminals before, they had the intent in them, you are responsible for you own actions

No one forces people to become criminals, they become criminals because they are scum

I can say these things because I do not make a living out of making excuses for scum

[dunnrite]

I only copy/pasted a portion of the article I linked.  The entire article is what I was referencing, not just the list I posted.  Click the link.  It's an article about the amount of people killed with police intervention vs the amount of people killed when citizen(s) react.

[Mr No Name]

Criminals prefer unarmed targets - easy pickin's.  Gun free zones work well for mass shooters, gives them time to chalk up a high score.  INteresting thread!

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They are criminals before, they had the intent in them, you are responsible for you own actions

No one forces people to become criminals, they become criminals because they are scum

I can say these things because I do not make a living out of making excuses for scum

not always true

very narrow minded.

[saggs]

Gun control laws do they work ?

What do you mean by "work"?

I guess you could say they "work" in the sense that they make if more difficult for law abiding, responsible citizens to exercise their constitutional rights.

If by "work" you mean 'do they make us safer'.  Then the answer is simple...  no.



A societies propensity to foster and commit violent and evil acts, has NO relation whatsoever with easy access to deadly weapons.  It's basic 6th grade scientific method correlation does not equal causation.

Over the past 10 years in America guns sales have skyrocketed, while at the same time violent crime rates have dropped.  I'm not making any connection here though, remember correlation does not equal causation.  But it does show there is no 'more guns = more violence' link.

Look at Switzerland, a country where nearly every single household has several guns (and military issued assault rifles no less).  Yet Switzerland has THE LOWEST crime rate in Europe.   Again I'm not saying more guns = less crime, I'm saying there is NO link.  The Swiss just seem to be a happy peaceful people.  Meanwhile Norway which has some of the strictest gun regulation in the world has a nut job kill 77 people with guns and a bomb last year.


Maybe instead of focusing on the tools these evildoers use to commit these horrendous acts, we should focus on why there are so many whack job, crazy mental case nutjobs in our society.    We have a serious problem in our society, all this gun control talk is ignoring the real problem, it's like giving a patient aspirin for a brain tumor.

Now admittedly I'm just a crazy gun toting white-trash redneck... but I think maybe, just maybe... we should start to try and treat the disease instead of giving a placebo for the symptoms.  In the meantime I'll keep exercising my right to protect myself as I see fit.

[zack1234]

not always true

very narrow minded.

I am wrong and the do gooders are right

That is why in the West people are crimminals for greed not for need

They do not steal to feed thier families they do it for self gratification.
Drug addicts steal for self gratification.


Why should law abiding people have to put up with crimminals, where is it written?

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I am wrong and the do gooders are right

That is why in the West people are crimminals for greed not for need

They do not steal to feed thier families they do it for self gratification.
Drug addicts steal for self gratification.


Why should law abiding people have to put up with crimminals, where is it written?

you have no clue why people do the things they do.....

I have a feeling I have met far more "criminals" then you have....

I am not saying that they don't do what you say at all...I am saying it is not always so black and white.....


I met a guy who rapped and killed his roommate and kept his dead body in his cell for 4 days....screwing it.... burning it.....his cellmate being a "criminal" had a 4 year sentence....for driving offenses......

I met a guy who was doing life for murder.....he killed the guy who broke into his house at 2 in the morning.....

 I met a guy who was doing life for murder....he was being harassed by a town bully.....they were in the same car, he was in the backseat, got freaked out and grabbed the bully in a choke from the backseat and held on for over 10 minutes, killing the "bully".......

I knew a guy for a very long time the was in Juvie with me (A very non violent person) and went to prison for driving offenses they placed him in a cell with a lifer who rapped him for over 3 months.....he eventually stabbed him 36 times in the chest and neck....now he is doing 40 years....and has stabbed 5 people......

I met a guy doing 30 years for rape......he always said he was innocent....after 5 years they found the real rapist and let this guy go......

I could go on and on.....

not everything is so black and white.   

[hlbly]

There is no information of any kind from the founding fathers to back up your assertion about the citizens being armed as a standing Army.

Actually there is . Quite a bit in fact . St. George Tuckers American Blackstone . Joseph Storys Constitutional Commentaries is another . Legal Giants of the 19th century . I think legal opinions and Supreme court decisions from this era provide the best guidance . Tucker was appointed to the federal bench by one of the founding fathers . Story the youngest Supreme Court Justice ever appointed by Madison . The only way this argument holds water is if you want the sentence "This is the founding fathers intention ." before their rulings and observations . How ever it is self evident that men that were appointed by the founding fathers to the federal bench ,and served with them on various committees' exploring the wording and structure of the constitution would have a very clear understanding of the intent of the fathers . They both clearly state that citizens have the right to protect themselves and the government has no authority to limit that right . They also clearly state that a well armed populace is the best guarantee against oppressive government . Since the infantryman's basic weapon and what was available to civilians were the same . It once again is evident they intended for the governments and populations basic arms be the same . They also clearly rule it is an individual right not a collective right to keep and bear arms . England also has given its people the right to bear arms . It just limits it severely with qualifiers . Like being protestant , or suitable to his station . Tuckers exploration of Blackstones treatise , points out how the constitution is worded ,and the intent of the framers to avoid just this kind of pitfall .

[zack1234]

Why do people steal from other people then?

Because they are sad and need understanding?

The majority of crimminals have numerous convictions because they are allowed to have numurous convictions

How can you continually break in to peoples houses when you have been to jail for it

[hlbly]

For everyone calling this a political thread it is not . It is a serious question regarding law and its effectiveness compared to its intent .

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Why do people steal from other people then?

Because they are sad and need understanding?

The majority of crimminals have numerous convictions because they are allowed to have numurous convictions

How can you continually break in to peoples houses when you have been to jail for it

many reasons.....a lot I would say is drugs....some for food.....some because they know nothing else.......

my point is only that person truly knows why they do the things they do........

in the states we have what is called "third strike" 3 felonies will give you a major sentence(don't remember exactly what it is)   so you can be convicted for stealing a 10$ dollar item and get 20+ years....that is as absurd as it gets.....

your sentiment is good,  but your narrow mindedness is blinding you to see that not everything is so black and white....

the only criminals that should be dealt with the way you want is child rapists/rapists....they should have their head removed....there is NO excuse for that.

every citizen should be armed.....it should be taught in school...the way math is......there would be far less crimes, if this where the case.


the biggest "criminals" in this country wear suits and ties.

edited for spelling.....durrrrrrr

[zack1234]

The home is the corner stone of society.
If the state is incapable and unwilling to protect this essential mechanism of society the individual has to.
If individuals do not except this fact wait for rare occasion it happens to them and see where thier liberal ideals go

[danny76]

not always true

very narrow minded.

Always true. Some fall on hard times, drag themselves up by their bootstraps and crack on.
Some fall on hard times, can't muster the energy and then sit on their arse waiting for someone to bail them out.
Some fall on hard times and choose to expend their energies, not on gainful employment, but on theft, burglary and other nefarious activities. There is no excuse. I never came across a single thieving scrote who wasn't wearing designer strides and Adidas pumps