Gun control laws do they work ?

[mbailey]

Yes, really.

Pennsylvania is a "shall issue" state.  (Or commonwealth, if you want to get technical)

"Shall issue" systems require a license or permit to carry a concealed handgun, and applicants must meet meet certain well defined objective criteria. However, unlike "may issue" systems, a "shall issue" state removes all arbitrary bias and discretion, compelling the issuing authority to award the permit. These laws require that the empowered authority “shall issue” a permit to applicants who meet the criteria defined by law and that they cannot delay the process with out just reasoning.

Live in PA as well, and yep, was as easy as VM states. Went into the Bucks county Sheriffs office, filled out the paperwork, they did a PICS call and left with the licence.

I do know that now they will ask for 3 non family members as referances. Close friend just got his a few mos ago and used me as his referance

[Nathan60]

You can't kill/injure dozens of people per minute with baseball bats, hammers, crowbars, or rocks. Also some food for thought.

Ever heard of the dark ages? Plenty of people were killed pre firearms.

[VonMessa]

Have you looked into getting the Utah Permit as well? Thinking of taking a class at the NRA next month so that I can get the rest of the states Virginia doesn't cover.

I may if we ever decide to move out West.

It would not be worth it for now, since I cannot really travel on an airline while carrying 

[guncrasher]

Where I live automatic weapons are quite common. We did infact take a few AR15's with us last weekend for the dove hunt in Douglas AZ. Not all of America smells like roses.

no i understand having rifles for hunting or just shooting cans, that is fun.  but to argue that 30 rounds mags are needed for home defense well, that's what I dont understand.  If you need them for that then it's time to move.


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[Nathan60]

no i understand having rifles for hunting or just shooting cans, that is fun.  but to argue that 30 rounds mags are needed for home defense well, that's what I dont understand.  If you need them for that then it's time to move.


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and what are you gonna defend your home with when the Zombii Apocalypse happens?

[guncrasher]

and what are you gonna defend your home with when the Zombii Apocalypse happens?

what home?  when it happens there wont be many homes left.  if you stay in the city you are dead, it doesnt matter how many guns you own.  even small towns wont be safe.  heck you cant even trust those next to you either.  I would rather spend the money on an armored truck.


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[coombz]

Ever heard of the dark ages? Plenty of people were killed pre firearms.

yes indeed, we all know people are disposed to be violent no matter what weapons are at their disposal

so why is it a good idea to make weapons that can kill so very quickly and effortlessly so easily available?

how many school shootings or crazy person rampages will it take do you think?

[DaveJ]

yes indeed, we all know people are disposed to be violent no matter what weapons are at their disposal

so why is it a good idea to make weapons that can kill so very quickly and effortlessly so easily available?

how many school shootings or crazy person rampages will it take do you think?

Coombz, do you really think the people who had intentions of committing those rampages would really be stopped by conventional gun laws?

[coombz]

Coombz, do you really think the people who had intentions of committing those rampages would really be stopped by conventional gun laws?

Possibly, they are different from habitual criminals and gang members who generally have much easier access to firearms.

Maybe they'd just go quietly crazy and off themselves. But instead it is VERY EASY for them to end the lives of A LOT of other people.

I just don't like it being so easy to take someones life. Guns make it very easy. In the UK where they have gun control laws in effect it's not a case of all the criminals being armed with guns and everyone else being preyed on at will. The criminals find it hard to get guns, and they use other weapons - still bad, but not as quick or easy to kill innocent people with.

Gun control doesn't stop crime or violence, and I wouldn't expect it to. As already mentioned we are a violent species and people will always find ways to hurt each other. But it's not so easy to kill a large number of people with so little effort as it is in a place where guns are widely available.

[Nathan60]

yes indeed, we all know people are disposed to be violent no matter what weapons are at their disposal

so why is it a good idea to make weapons that can kill so very quickly and effortlessly so easily available?

how many school shootings or crazy person rampages will it take do you think?

How many goverment slaughters or wild animal attacks before you old world types let us colonist be? We beat you twice and bailed you out twice  I think weve earned our guns. And youknow  if someone is going to snap they are going to find a way to get a gun, if you can buy a bag of weed you can buy a gun.

[Nathan60]

Possibly, they are different from habitual criminals and gang members who generally have much easier access to firearms.

Maybe they'd just go quietly crazy and off themselves. But instead it is VERY EASY for them to end the lives of A LOT of other people.

I just don't like it being so easy to take someones life. Guns make it very easy. In the UK where they have gun control laws in effect it's not a case of all the criminals being armed with guns and everyone else being preyed on at will. The criminals find it hard to get guns, and they use other weapons - still bad, but not as quick or easy to kill innocent people with.

This doesn't stop crime or violence, and I wouldn't expect it too. As already mentioned we are a violent species and people will always find ways to hurt each other. But it's not so easy to kill a large number of people with so little effort as it is in a country where guns are widely available.

Yeah h wanna kill alot of  people build  a fertilizer, gas and Styrofoam bomb  that  will be a much better way and cheaper.  If they dont shoot you they will bomb you or  set  your building on fire or  run a crowd down in a car...

Point is at this point everything that could be discussed inn this thread has been discussed so now its just talking in circles.

[coombz]

Yeah h wanna kill alot of  people build  a fertilizer, gas and Styrofoam bomb  that  will be a much better way and cheaper.  If they dont shoot you they will bomb you or  set  your building on fire or  run a crowd down in a car...

Point is at this point everything that could be discussed inn this thread has been discussed so now its just talking in circles.

Terrible argument. Of course if someone really wants to hurt lots of people they can always find a way.

All I'm saying is don't make it so easy. Country full of guns = country full of people getting shot and living in fear of people with guns shooting them (hence buying more guns :)

[Ardy123]

Yeah h wanna kill alot of  people build  a fertilizer, gas and Styrofoam bomb  that  will be a much better way and cheaper.  If they dont shoot you they will bomb you or  set  your building on fire or  run a crowd down in a car...

Point is at this point everything that could be discussed inn this thread has been discussed so now its just talking in circles.

Following this line of thinking, nothing should be illegal because if someone wants to do it, they will find a way.... this rational is nonsense and you know it...

[sunfan1121]

no i understand having rifles for hunting or just shooting cans, that is fun.  but to argue that 30 rounds mags are needed for home defense well, that's what I dont understand.  If you need them for that then it's time to move.


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10 rounds through a AR15 is nothing. Try telling the ranchers on the Arizona/Mexico border 10 rounds in enough for home defense. 

 

[guncrasher]

10 rounds through a AR15 is nothing. Try telling the ranchers on the Arizona/Mexico border 10 rounds in enough for home defense. 

 

most people dont live on the border.


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