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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2012, 01:03:26 AM »
Did someone say near suicidal B-25 mission?!?!?
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2012, 01:20:08 AM »
I've brought home a heavily damage B-25C more than a few times.



This isn't even the most heavily damaged one I've brought back (just don't have the screenies of them :().  In the events prior to this screen shot, I was attacked by a 262, 109 and P-47.  262 was what caused most of the damage to this plane.  He got one of my drones and, probably a surprise to some of ya, puffy from a CV got the other.  Yes, auto puffy from a CV shot down one of my bombers. :noid  They all had a bad day though. :)  Smoke the 262 and P-47, and greased the 109. :devil


Ya really can't say they are completely defenseless as they will take one hell of a beating.  I have fended off 110's, and we all know what their firepower is like. :aok
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #47 on: September 04, 2012, 05:01:20 PM »
I am for adding it, but don't misrepresent it.

The B-26, not the B-25, had the lowest loss rate of American bombers in Europe.  The B-26 was superior.


I'm confused, are you comparing all models of the B-25 with the B-26? Remember the B-26 always had the tail gun.  I've even read stories of British pilots complaining that the 25C didn't have a tail gun.
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #48 on: September 04, 2012, 08:07:33 PM »

I'm confused, are you comparing all models of the B-25 with the B-26? Remember the B-26 always had the tail gun.  I've even read stories of British pilots complaining that the 25C didn't have a tail gun.
No, just the B-25J to the B-26B.
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #49 on: September 04, 2012, 08:33:40 PM »
No, just the B-25J to the B-26B.
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2012, 08:39:30 PM »
b25c was supposed to have a retractible belly turret also right behind the bombay  :mad:
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #51 on: September 04, 2012, 08:46:08 PM »
b25c was supposed to have a retractible belly turret also right behind the bombay  :mad:
Most of those were taken out in the field. :aok

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #52 on: September 04, 2012, 08:48:08 PM »
Most of those were taken out in the field. :aok

So ours is a field mod?
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2012, 08:50:41 PM »
Cs aren't nearly as defenseless as you might suggest. For whatever reasons HTC has modeled them as bullet sponges. I have experienced this as both attacker AND attacked. I've been in scenarios where entire flights of Fw190s ran out of ammo attacking B-25Cs and only getting 1 or 2 kills. I, personally, have withstood attacks from 3 Fw190D-9s in a single B-25C and survived to limp home 5 sectors on 1 engine. They broke off, having run out of ammo. The screenshots of the holes in my plane were epic.

The B-25 (C/H) aren't all that much of a bullet sponge, it really depends on where you hit them.  Hit them aft of the cockpit and it will soak up some damage because the rounds are largely hitting areas with no vital, critical components.  Hit near or forward of the cockpit, wing root (especially vulnerable part on the Mitchell), or engine and you'll be very surprised at how little ammunition it takes.  It takes me no more than a solid burst at the wing root or engine to catch a Mitchell on fire and it takes me no more than 3 passes to take out a formation.  Those FW 190s you ran up against were obviously not very good shooters.

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I've also landed large numbers of 20mm hits (Fw190A8 with 4x20mm guns package) to no effect. Heck, I've hit B-25Cs with the spud gun on a P-39 point blank multiple times, and only oiled a single engine.

Again, it really depends on where you land your shots.  I have no troubles with the 20mm cannon on the P-38 when engaging Mitchells, even the quad .50s are more than sufficient enough to down an entire formation.

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Because of their absurd resilience, they are quite defensible. On a single sortie I convinced 2 squadmates to up 25C formations with me. I nailed a single Me262 that attacked up, and one of my squaddies got another. On another sortie, he got TWO 262s in a single sortie that attacked him.

Sure, the B-25C can defend itself but against a determined attacker that knows what he's doing, the B-25C doesn't have a snow ball's chance in Hell.  This is the one bomber in which it is safe to engage from slighly below (to keep out of the top turret's line of fire) the dead six position and sit there plinking away at the Mitchell and there is nothing but that the Mitchell driver can do other than cringe and pucker up.  Even coming from above, the top turret really isn't that much of a threat unless you are careless in your attack.  Broadside attacks are also quite effective against the Mitchell.  

As for the Me 262s that attacked you, all your anecdote does is tell me that you ran into a couple of Me 262 drivers that didn't know squat in attacking a bomber.

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2012, 10:15:20 PM »
I ran into a couple of 25C and like AKAK said, sit behind them slightly below and have fun. Only thing they can do is watch.

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2012, 11:35:17 PM »
As for the Me 262s that attacked you, all your anecdote does is tell me that you ran into a couple of Me 262 drivers that didn't know squat in attacking a bomber.

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2012, 11:59:49 PM »
lol Its still a Bomber... It carries bombs.....designed to bomb...... has two bombsite's, its a bomber..


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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2012, 06:14:20 AM »
The B-25 (C/H) aren't all that much of a bullet sponge, it really depends on where you hit them.  Hit them aft of the cockpit and it will soak up some damage because the rounds are largely hitting areas with no vital, critical components.  Hit near or forward of the cockpit, wing root (especially vulnerable part on the Mitchell), or engine and you'll be very surprised at how little ammunition it takes.  It takes me no more than a solid burst at the wing root or engine to catch a Mitchell on fire and it takes me no more than 3 passes to take out a formation.  Those FW 190s you ran up against were obviously not very good shooters.

Again, it really depends on where you land your shots.  I have no troubles with the 20mm cannon on the P-38 when engaging Mitchells, even the quad .50s are more than sufficient enough to down an entire formation.

Sure, the B-25C can defend itself but against a determined attacker that knows what he's doing, the B-25C doesn't have a snow ball's chance in Hell.  This is the one bomber in which it is safe to engage from slighly below (to keep out of the top turret's line of fire) the dead six position and sit there plinking away at the Mitchell and there is nothing but that the Mitchell driver can do other than cringe and pucker up.  Even coming from above, the top turret really isn't that much of a threat unless you are careless in your attack.  Broadside attacks are also quite effective against the Mitchell. 

As for the Me 262s that attacked you, all your anecdote does is tell me that you ran into a couple of Me 262 drivers that didn't know squat in attacking a bomber.

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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2012, 08:07:13 AM »
all you gotta do in a b25c when someone tries to sneak up on your six is just hit auto climb and there dead I've killed many a jug and 110s and couple of 410s since the new release by doing that cause they don't expect it

Doesn't going auto climb then jump into gunner position put you in level flight?
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Re: B-25J Mitchell
« Reply #59 on: September 05, 2012, 10:21:18 AM »
Do you have these statistics? If so I would like to see them :)
No I don't.  It was simply a statement in a book somewhere.

That said, it is hardly surprising given that it is faster and has better defensive gun arcs while being spared the long rage deep penetration missions of the heavies.  What other US bomber in Europe is going to beat that?
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