US Ambassador to Libya and 3 US Marines Killed.

[Nathan60]

Hopefully one day we stop needing gas and there won't be any American interest in the Middle East for these clowns to use religion as thier weapon. Not saying religion is the problem but the 'opiate of the  masses' is deffinatly being used to recruit and incite among the less learned in the region.  Even a dirt poor farmer that could care less about his goverment can be fooled into attacking by using his religion against him.

[coombz]

Hopefully one day we stop needing gas and there won't be any American interest in the Middle East for these clowns to use religion as thier weapon. Not saying religion is the problem but the 'opiate of the  masses' is deffinatly being used to recruit and incite among the less learned in the region.  Even a dirt poor farmer that could care less about his goverment can be fooled into attacking by using his religion against him.

If your country was being occupied and my home, friends and family possibly becoming 'collateral damage' in the process, would you require a religious motive to be 'fooled' into fighting back?

Not saying religion isn't part of the problem btw

[Nathan60]

If your country was being occupied and my home, friends and family possibly becoming 'collateral damage' in the process, would you require a religious motive to be 'fooled' into fighting back?

Not saying religion isn't part of the problem btw

I didn't know Libya was occupied, or Egypt or Yemen or any of the other countires where hate is being shown. Religion isn't part of the problem perversion of religion is the problem Coombz. I was once told by a Muslim from Nigeria that the Quran teaches not to harm even a leaf on a tree and he doesn't understand  the suicide bombings in the least  so how can you have a religion that teaches not to harm  being used as the catlyst to drive ignortant people to extreme?

Alos what happens lets say in a few years the Maori decide they are tired of  Europeans occupying their lands  and they start blowing up police precincts or buses as a means to drive you out would you be okay with that?

[coombz]

I didn't know Libya was occupied, or Egypt or Yemen or any of the other countires where hate is being shown. Religion isn't part of the problem perversion of religion is the problem Coombz. I was once told by a Muslim from Nigeria that the Quran teaches not to harm even a leaf on a tree and he doesn't understand  the suicide bombings in the least  so how can you have a religion that teaches not to harm  being used as the catlyst to drive ignortant people to extreme?

How indeed!

I like the phrase perversion of religion that's very apt. Although it does conjure images of Catholic priests, which I know is not what you're getting at.


As for Maori wanting pakeha off their land, i'd certainly sympathise if it happened. We have treated them pretty badly in past. But most of them don't seem to hold a grudge. I attended a Maori ceremony of welcome today, a whakatau, at my workplace, it was very cool.

Did you know that in Maori words that are spelt 'whaka' are pronounced 'fu**er'?

[Nathan60]

How indeed!

I like the phrase perversion of religion that's very apt. Although it does conjure images of Catholic priests, which I know is not what you're getting at.


As for Maori wanting pakeha off their land, i'd certainly sympathise if it happened. We have treated them pretty badly in past. But most of them don't seem to hold a grudge. I attended a Maori ceremony of welcome today, a whakatau, at my workplace, it was very cool.

Did you know that in Maori words that are spelt 'whaka' are pronounced 'fu**er'?

 So because you aren't threatend by an insurgency you feel their tactics are ok and if  it did happen you wouldn't be upset about it even though you are raising a little  pakeha of your own and as such an occupying force?  Yes  coombz i have every reason to bellive that  and  Yes i know that Whaka is pronunced as whatever F**Ker is why wouldnt I?  Also doesn't explain why Egypt and Libya are consistant problems when it comes to terrorism we dint occupy them.

[coombz]

 So because you aren't threatend by an insurgency you feel their tactics are ok and if  it did happen you wouldn't be upset about it even though you are raising a little  pakeha of your own and as such an occupying force?  Yes  coombz i have every reason to bellive that  and  Yes i know that Whaka is pronunced as whatever F**Ker is why wouldnt I?  Also doesn't explain why Egypt and Libya are consistant problems when it comes to terrorism we dint occupy them.

So much wrong in one post it beggars belief First off when did I say anything in this thread about insurgent tactics and whether they are OK or not?

They are pretty underhand tactics I guess as far as it goes, but in some ways they can be quite ingenious. Although I'm mostly thinking of the IRA and Viet Cong when I say that, I don't know too much about insurgency tactics in recent times except of course the ever popular IEDs.

It's irrelevant though because all I have discussed is possible reasons for the dislike for the western powers in certain places, I haven't been excusing them for attacks or commenting on the methods used

Secondly I don't think I quite qualify as an occupying force, in fact your whole premise is kind of idiotic and extremely tangetial at best...but I'll humour you anyway. I said I would sympathise with hypothetical Maori insurgents because after all, they did kind of have their country stolen from them. The same way I kind of sympathise with native Americans, Aborigines, the Vietnamese who were fighting various countries for years and years on end, and many other small countries/peoples that have been invaded and occupied or otherwise f**ked over by larger powers. But that's just the way it goes sometimes.

I didn't suggest I would simply roll over and let them kill me and my family just because I think they might have a just cause, nor did I say anyone else should do the same in similar situations.

Thirdly you said Libya and Egypt are consistently involved with terrorism, I wasn't aware that it was a frequent thing but you're evidently more informed then me when it comes to what those pesky Muslims are up to...care to enlighten me?

edit: btw that last part isn't sarcasm, I honestly don't know about any Libyan/Egyptian terror attacks beyond these very recent shenanigans

[NatCigg]

c mob stirs the pot. one day he will get his way and we will be left with nothing.

[NatCigg]

c mob stirs the pot. one day he will get his way and we will be left with nothing.

[bongboy1]

Hopefully one day we stop needing gas

I just jumped right into this thread but I had to correct this statement. I'm a Louisiana Callahan and drilling oil has been a part of my family for 70 years. My grand father owned share in a rig based out of mexico in the 60's. Anyways, the USA and the world will always need crude oil. There are hundreds maybe even thousands of everyday products we use that require crude oil in some way. Sythetic or other natural oils can't replace it all.

[zack1234]

It's not religion... it's the folks with few IQ

Nonsense I don't burn flags

[nrshida]

Hopefully one day we stop needing gas and there won't be any American interest in the Middle East

 

[zack1234]

I thought we get petrol and oil from the Middle east?

Gas is like Helium,Hydrogen or Chlorine

I have a gas cooker at home its not oil or petrol

[Slate]

Thirdly you said Libya and Egypt are consistently involved with terrorism, I wasn't aware that it was a frequent thing but you're evidently more informed then me when it comes to what those pesky Muslims are up to...care to enlighten me?

edit: btw that last part isn't sarcasm, I honestly don't know about any Libyan/Egyptian terror attacks beyond these very recent shenanigans

    Are you young? The Lockerbie Bombing was very much in the news at the time and sanctions against Libya were in place after that.

Pan Am Flight 103 disaster, also commonly referred to as the Lockerbie bombing, was the bombing of a Pan Am transatlantic flight from London Heathrow Airport to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport on Wednesday, 21 December 1988. A Boeing 747–121, named Clipper Maid of the Seas, was totally destroyed by an explosive device killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew members.[2] Large sections of the plane crashed into Lockerbie, in southern Scotland, killing a further 11 people on the ground.

Following a three-year joint investigation by Scottish police and the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, murder warrants were issued for two Libyan nationals in November 1991.

 In Egypt a series of attacks against Tourists have occured for many years.
http://www.usdivetravel.com/T-EgyptTerrorism.html

[gyrene81]

I just jumped right into this thread but I had to correct this statement. I'm a Louisiana Callahan and drilling oil has been a part of my family for 70 years. My grand father owned share in a rig based out of mexico in the 60's. Anyways, the USA and the world will always need crude oil. There are hundreds maybe even thousands of everyday products we use that require crude oil in some way. Sythetic or other natural oils can't replace it all.

that is quite true unfortunately. thing is the sooner we can get to the point where our crude oil needs can be fulfilled by domestic production only, the better off we will be.


Coombz, we don't "occupy", egypt, syria, lybia, iran, lebanon, algeria, turkey, pakistan, ethiopia, etc...etc...etc... not including so called "peace keeping" forces, there are what amounts to diplomatic protection forces of varying sizes deployed everywhere they are allowed by the host countries, except for iraq and afghanistan obviously. even the kiwis have such deployments. the people who were killed in lybia were not part of an "occupying force" and the murderous little rug huggers had no business attacking them. it's too bad our government is more protective of foreign diplomatic property on american soil than the governments in other countries are of ours. the violence in the muslim nations is and has been perpetuated by radical anti-american fundamentalist cave dwellers and their ignorant followers that have been brainwashed into believing that anyone who doesn't believe as they do has to die.

I thought we get petrol and oil from the Middle east?

Gas is like Helium,Hydrogen or Chlorine

I have a gas cooker at home its not oil or petrol

lmao, come on Zack, get some more tea in your blood stream. it's liquid petroleum (lp) gas you're burning in your "gas cooker". petrol as you call it is refined from crude oil. the crude oil could be from pretty much anywhere.

[VonMessa]

I thought we get petrol and oil from the Middle east?

Gas is like Helium,Hydrogen or Chlorine

I have a gas cooker at home its not oil or petrol

Is this how you cook your pies?