Point suggestion

[surfinn]

kill shooter is off in FSO, so perhaps there should be a point penalty assessed to those who shot down a friendly. Example Surfinn shots down carver in the logs. 50 point penalty for shooting a friendly down? Yes I know the ac is worth a point value it should be more if a friendly shots ya down. I think a point penalty would make guys check their fire a little bit when on one con. Just an idea what do you guys think?

[ELD66]

It is up to the squads officers to prevent friendly fire. A deterioration in a squads fighting strength is a punishment.

[ghostdancer]

There has been point penalties in the past. Most times it is the other side gets the value of the plane shot down. All depends on each admin how they want to handle it.

[SlipKnt]

I only see a problem when you have a furball flying through bomber formations.  Gunners in the bombers do inadvertantly shoot down other friendly planes when in tight formations.  I think the loss of friendly planes as a result of bomber gunnery should be penalty enough. 

However, when it is fighters, and you have guys desparate to get the kill and are willing to take the shot over a friendly's shoulder, willing to risk shooting down your own, yes, a penalty would be cool.  Don't know how that can be tracked in the logs though. 

Seems it can only be all or nothing. 

[CAP1]

i acidentally shot one of my squaddies in the last bob setup. i was diving on a ju88, and just as i opened up, my squad co flew across in front of me. thankfully i didn't kill him......but i can see how it happens.

 that all said, personally, i think that the loss of the plane, the loss of the safe landing bonus, and the loss of any possible kills, or assists that that downed pilot may have scored is punishment enough for friendly fire. that's just my opinion though. it is however a VERY good topic of discussion.

[cohofly]

How is the accidental killing of a Friendlly scored now???? Is there a zero balance?? Are kill points awarded to the person who shot down his teammate??? Or are the points given to the opposition??? Personally, I have been on both ends or the spectrum, been shot down by a Squaddie and also accidently shot a "Same Side Teammate". I think that its a pretty good idea, would probably reduce the numbers killed by Teammates.
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[surfinn]

Original thought behind this is this.
If in combat you shot down a friendly in RL you would face charges and possibly a courtmartial.
Fso should reflect that by giving the opposing team the points. Or possibly making the entire squad (of the friendly fire killer) points null and void. Bombers would check their fire and fighters wouldn't shot over others shoulders so much I think.

[tmetal]

My one and only team kill in FSO happened as I was trying to clear a enemy P40 off the six of a friendly stuka. I did consider the friendly stuka when I took my shots at the P40 and limited my bursts in an attemp to not hit the stuka.  I managed to scare the P40 off and felt pretty good about not damaging the stuka. scores come out and they show I team killed a stuka; I went back and watched the film and it showed ONE bb round from my C202 hit the cockpit/pilot of the stuka I was trying to help and he crashed or bled out while RTB because of that shot.

Do I think that an accident like that should result in a penalty for my side? No.  Would I still try to clear the six of a friendly if a situation like that came up and the penalty system you propose were in place? Dunno, but I would like to think so.  The real question to consider is this: would it ultimately result in less cooperation and mutual protection between team mates?, and would that ultimately be a good or bad thing for FSO?

[Big Rat]

If the friendly shot down already scores as a kill for the other side is good enough.  No extra points are needed.  I don't think anybody here has shot down a squaddie and hasn't felt bad about it.  Being in the front of a chain behind the baddy has it's risks, I normally pull myself out of the way if I'm not real close.  It's up to the squads leaders to pull guys out of the line, leave them in and risk getting guys damaged and out of the fight.  In essence it's self policing, if the bad guys are killing each other to kill me, yea for me and my side.  VF-17 is often more dangerouse to each other then the enemy when assigned bombers

 
BigRat

[SlipKnt]

Original thought behind this is this.
If in combat you shot down a friendly in RL you would face charges and possibly a courtmartial.
Fso should reflect that by giving the opposing team the points. Or possibly making the entire squad (of the friendly fire killer) points null and void. Bombers would check their fire and fighters wouldn't shot over others shoulders so much I think.

Internally, we used to have the "BF Medal" in our squad.  A full investigation was conducted and film and photos were used.  Then, you get to defend yourself.  Photo shop is an aful lot of fun in those situations.  My point is, though, I think it depends on the squad and I am sure the squadies that shoot down their own feel bad.  G3-MF simply has fun with it at the shooter's expense in our forums.  As a MFer. you don't want to be the guy that shoots a Guidmate down...   

Still a great topic for discussion. 

 

[razmataz]

One of the great things about FSO is that everybody takes it very seriously, yes we all clown around at times and enjoy ourselves. But 99.9% of the pilots that fly in FSO try to fly this with as much realism as possible and don't intentionally shoot at friendly's to either get a kill or cause they don't like that person. That"s one reason there is a rule for no walk ons.

Even if it is a game, it is still combat and friendly fire does accur. Unless it can be proven that it was done maliciously then I can't ever see deducting points from something that happend in R/L combat. In R/L they may have looked into accidental friendly fire, but I doubt anybody was ever courtmartialed for it.

Raz299

[surfinn]

Ya i got to disagree with that. They would have been brought up on charges, and or after a investigation at least been reassigned to a desk, loss of rank, etc. As far as the realism goes I don't ever remember a gun cam showing tracers from three other ac, shooting over the primary ac engaged with the target trying to get the kill. Kinda hard to point 6 50cals at your buddy. You are right that most try to make it real and no one wants to shot a team member down. Still think it should be tallied for the opposite side for at least double what the points of said ac was worth.

[Bino]

kill shooter is off in FSO, so perhaps there should be a point penalty assessed to those who shot down a friendly. Example Surfinn shots down carver in the logs. 50 point penalty for shooting a friendly down? Yes I know the ac is worth a point value it should be more if a friendly shots ya down. I think a point penalty would make guys check their fire a little bit when on one con. Just an idea what do you guys think?

In "Piece of Cake", one of the pilots in Hornet Squadron accidentally shoots down another RAF plane. Squadron Leader Rex orders the shooter to fly over to the base of that friendly and go apologize to that squadron's CO, saying something like, "it happened all the time in the last war."

[FiLtH]

   Id rather see KS on. If its on for a reason in the MA, the FSO is no different. No matter what penalty shot of self damage will make people think before pulling the trigger.

[Ruah]

   Id rather see KS on. If its on for a reason in the MA, the FSO is no different. No matter what penalty shot of self damage will make people think before pulling the trigger.

that is MA thinking.

In FSO, it is not 'people' but 'squads of people' and if someone repeatedly shoots friendlies down, then I am sure the 'squad' and the 'side' would both be keen to have a chat. . .

if it is not broken, and it is not, then don't fix it. . .