Gun sales today...pretty amazing...

[guncrasher]

No, it's not a living document, that is just some nonsense the left has been trying to sell for years so they could have the ability to go in and rewrite the very basis upon which our country was founded to their way of thinking.  The SCOTUS decides when certain issues are in line with the Constitution, or not.  They do not have the ability to change it, only interpret the framers intent.

They have ruled on the 2nd plenty, and like it or not, they accepted the framers intent to let the people have firearms.  Most types. 

no you are wrong, it's a living document in the fact that it can be changed at any time and it is not set in stone like the other book.   actually it has been changed plenty of times since it was created.  nowhere in the constitution does it say that it cannot be changed.  actually article 5 of the constitution lists the requirements needed in order for it to be changed.



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[guncrasher]

Firearms aren't the leading cause of death, even for non-natural causes. IIRC, automobile accidents kill more people each year than projectile weapons. Yet we still don't see the kind of hysteria that a shooting causes, when they differ very little in principle. You're just as dead if you get hit by a drunk driver as you are if you take a .30cal round to the face, and its just as invoulantary on your part.

that is probably because with cars you dont go and kill 5, 10 or 15 people in one accident or premeditated attack.  how many train wrecks do we have?  and yet after one that kills a number of people there's always a "hysteria" to go find out why and make changes.

same for factories that blow up, or oil rigs, or that drunk guy in the boat that damaged a lot of beaches in alaska.  whenever you have a single incident that causes a lot of damage or deaths, there's always a lot of yelling, shoving and screaming trying to find out what went wrong and try to fix it.

to say that there's nothing wrong with guns is just as dumb as saying that all the blames are due to guns.

one more thing about your comment here:

"Untill there is the same demand for action against obesity, drunk driving, and all the other things that result in more deaths than firearms, theres no way to call those supporting extensive gun-control anything but stupid."

when was the last time somebody used obesity to commit mass murder.  even suggesting that obesity should be "fixed" before "extensive" gun-control is just plain dumb.  even saying "extensive" gun control makes me laugh as I cant even imagine what the hell that means.  unless you are trying to figure out a way to be superfluous.

anyway like I said before suggesting getting rid of all guns is just as stupid as saying we dont need to regulate guns.

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[Widewing]

no you are wrong, it's a living document in the fact that it can be changed at any time and it is not set in stone like the other book.   actually it has been changed plenty of times since it was created.  nowhere in the constitution does it say that it cannot be changed.  actually article 5 of the constitution lists the requirements needed in order for it to be changed.



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He said that the SCOTUS cannot change the Constitution. He was correct. You are also correct, there is a means to amend the Constitution. However, you'll never see the 2nd Amendment changed in your lifetime. There is insufficient support now and for the foreseeable future.

[Widewing]

By lobbying heavily to cut funding for firearms research, such as that done by the CDC.

LOLOL

Like the CDC doesn't have an anti-gun agenda....

I'd lobby to prevent funding of any organization's biased "research".

A truly independent study would not be opposed.

[TonyJoey]

Anyone who proposes any measure of gun control seems to be anti-gun.

[Stalwart]

Not locked yet? 

[Slash27]

Joey, trying to tell the anti-intellectual crowd to look at facts is like trying to get an illiterate to study a book.... you're better off yelling "free whiskey and guns", and watching what happens.

Really?

[Vulcan]

that is probably because with cars you dont go and kill 5, 10 or 15 people in one accident or premeditated attack. 

There are many examples of cars being used as weapons, it wouldn't be hard to clock up 10-15 victims if you wanted.

[bustr]

If you check U.S. Filicide stats mothers should be banned versus assault weapons if we want to keep with the emotional and illogical theme.

Mothers kill more children in the U.S. than assault weapons. In america your deranged mother has a greater chance of murdering you without a gun befor you reach age ten than your chances of being massacered by a deranged madman in your grade school or day care center with a gun, knife, club, rabid gerbil or his stinky socks.

The US has the highest rates of child homicide (8.0/100,000 for infants, 2.5/100,000 for preschool-age children, and 1.5/100,000 for school-age children). Mothers murder more children in the age group of those in CT without a gun every year than children in that age group killed by guns (accidental\intentional\suicide) in the U.S. The CDC lumps age 0-19 as children in the U.S which makes the average child inflated death rate by guns around 1700. Most of the deaths are in the 15-19 age group performed by criminals on criminals. Mothers murder without a gun on average 600 a year in the U.S of their children in the CT range.

We don't got a gun problem or a madman problem when it comes to our little ones. We got a Mommy problem the media won't touch. You can lock up all the madmen you want, ban all guns, and your mommies are still gonna massacer more children each year with their hands and household items than the CT incident and it won't show up on your boob tube.

The only time I needed a gun it worked exactly as designed. We both lived becasue the perp valued his own life enough that we didn't have to find out if he was superman and faster than a speeding bullet. A gun saved two lives that day becasue it was available to do so. My wife agrees that it was a good and well behaved gun and is thankfull that it lives with us. Untill you actuly need one, only a few know what that moment is like and why it is so special. Surviving is akin to a near death experience. Once you have been there it makes sense like a lightning flash and realy can't be explained. Thats why it becomes so polorising trying to debate it. It's easier to debat that we souldn't tell our littel ones santa isn't real until they are about 11 and have already figured it out for themselves.

[SmokinLoon]

Anyone who proposes any measure of gun control seems to be anti-gun.

No, not at all.  You and others like you forget that out current system of background checks was devised by the NRA.  Not Feinstein, not Schumer, not the anti-gun crown. Legislating firearms in the USA is not bad.  What is bad is the idiocy of limiting cosmetic features and a certain capacity of magazines and expect the violence to stop.

I'm all for introducing heavier penalties for breaking the laws.  Thing is, I do not see the need for anything new, I see the need for reality to step in and say that the right to defend yourself is the first fundamental right anyone has, sanctioned law enforcement can not be everywhere at once (we do NOT want that), and that bad guys will be bad guys regardless of the tools they use.

[guncrasher]

bustr since most mass murdered are committed by white males, then let's get rid of all white males.  that would fix the problem.


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[Slash27]

bustr since most mass murdered are committed by white males, then let's get rid of all white males.  that would fix the problem.


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That would work out well for you wouldn't it?

[rpm]

If you encounter a bad guy with 30 round magazines, wouldn't you prefer not to have to reload 3x to deliver the volume of fire? This presents a very serious tactical disadvantage to the guy with the 10 round magazines.

In the last 50 years I've never encountered that situation. Don't see it happening in the next 50 either.

[guncrasher]

That would work out well for you wouldn't it?

sure that would eliminate 1/2 of my family.  just a silly statement no worst that bustr's.


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[CAP1]

that is probably because with cars you dont go and kill 5, 10 or 15 people in one accident or premeditated attack.  how many train wrecks do we have?  and yet after one that kills a number of people there's always a "hysteria" to go find out why and make changes.



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http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-highway-accident-kills-14/story?id=16834835#.UNj04qzyCSo

http://www.limaohio.com/news/local_news/article_6a9112b2-4dcc-11e2-8b95-0019bb30f31a.html

http://www.cbs7.com/news/details.asp?ID=36135