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Offline icepac

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Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« on: January 15, 2013, 10:08:42 PM »
In my fall from 30,000 feet, I had time to try every single possible control combination and still simply fell tail first.

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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 10:11:16 PM »
Ok.
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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 10:12:18 PM »
Chop throttle push forward on the stick. If there is a spin rudder the opposite direction. The plane will start to level and begin falling flat. When this happens gun the engine while pushing the stick as far forward as possible. It should nose down at that point.

You can dump flaps as well but you don't always need to.
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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 10:12:51 PM »
Did you try hitting auto?  :noid

This has been remarked upon over the years, including some recovery strategies. My favorite was "Alt-F4."  :neener:
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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 10:15:47 PM »
I had 30,000 feet.......tried every configuration

Just fell tail down for 30,000 feet.


Before you offer "pilot 101" tips, know I've been flying for over 29 years.

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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 10:17:40 PM »
I had 30,000 feet.......tried every configuration

Just fell tail down for 30,000 feet.


Before you offer "pilot 101" tips, know I've been flying for over 29 years.

Ok. Just my advice as I fly that plane very often and had it in the tail stall many times. That is how I recover from it.
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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2013, 10:20:54 PM »
I had 30,000 feet.......tried every configuration

Just fell tail down for 30,000 feet.


Before you offer "pilot 101" tips, know I've been flying for over 29 years.

So the point of this thread was.....what?

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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 10:23:13 PM »
So the point of this thread was.....what?

that he has no experience flying a ta-152?  :neener:
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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2013, 10:25:03 PM »
Wish I was close coulda used the proxy for a 'chieve .
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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2013, 11:04:33 PM »
The way the Ta152 flies/falls defies physics and aerodynamics.
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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2013, 11:12:20 PM »
Nobody got a kill but another Ta152 made 3 or 4 passes on me as I fell so somebody saw it.



I fly the TA152 fine but the way it falls and wallows is unlike any airplane I've flown.....virtual or real.

It feels almost like a car that has the roll center really far from the center of gravity.

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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 11:55:14 PM »
Did you turn the engine completely off, I'm asking for my own knowledge, not trying to be all "YER SHERDA DERN THERS"...
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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2013, 12:22:02 AM »
So the point of this thread was.....what?

To brag he flies at 30,000ft.

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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2013, 12:52:08 AM »
After years of dropping my gear down during stall fights and similar maneuvering, often to quite the benefit of the fight, I never could explain why it worked.  I always figured it had something to do with adding in that extra stability from the gear, during times of flight when you're very unstable.  The effect is most pronounced in fighters like the 110, 152, Mosquito, and P-39s.  
I also frequently get beef for this "gamey" behaviour, a lot of comments like, "Nice gear, but you would never actually do that in real life."  And, "No pilots ever did that in WWII planes."

You can imagine my great personal satisfaction (which is limitless by the way), that while reading Bob Hoover's autobiography Forever Flying, I came across this passage where he talked about getting to fly the P-39, which he was quite excited about...

     "At ten thousand feet, I pulled the nose up steeply, cut the power, and presto, the plane started to tumble.  A flat spin followed, and I panicked for an instant trying to get my bearings.  I tried conventional recovery controls, but none of them worked.
     Instinctively I dropped the landing gear and lowered the flaps to upset the gyroscopic effect.  To my amazement, the P-39 went into a conventional nose-down spin.  I recovered the airplane with plenty of room to spare.  Satisfied with the effort, I couldn't wait to land and share my experience with the other pilots."

He goes on to explain the same maneuver also worked well with the P-40.  And a Czech pilot named it the Lomcovak, Czech for Headache.
This also, was not something he only did because it was an emergency, he intentionally got the P-39 to stall and spin, after hearing how deadly it was to so many pilots. 

Yay!!!!

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Re: Unrecoverable stall/spin in ta152
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2013, 01:22:49 AM »
Do anyone have any contemporary flight-report of the TA-152 ?

I find the TA-152 behaviour suspicions too.
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