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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2013, 01:20:32 PM »
Not sure I'd want to use 7.62x39 for anything more than short range hunting (<100m where you're guaranteed a head/neck shot). I know pig hunters here like the AK clones for as a backup (feral pigs are usually hunted by dog then killed by knife).

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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2013, 01:21:04 PM »
...you dont get a gun so you can find a way to use it, but because you have a use for it.


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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2013, 01:32:25 PM »
I use my Ak almost every weekend at the ranch. Its my truck gun and if you ask me what gun do i use to the most for hunting it would be the AK.

Dont think that a AR or a Ak is just for the military. Its just a modern firearm just like my mauser back in the early 1900's.

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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2013, 02:38:27 PM »
There are .243 AR's out there, but they'll likely be from "boutique" or less well known makers (read: could be good or could suck) and very hard to find.  A lot of these off caliber AR's suffer from feeding/extraction issues from sheer lack of testing.  As an owner of a Browning semi, I'm sure you know the fine line the gun walks from the moment you pull the trigger until the next round is chambered.  Some guns run like sewing machines, others choke and puke their way to the junk pile.  AR's are no different, and it's made worse because everyone and their brother makes them.

One thing I've learned about AR's over the last several years... all AR's are not created equal. 
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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2013, 02:56:04 PM »
the ar15 is good for long range hunting or target practice now the people that are discing the AK47 probably don't own one I have a Norinco AK47 and its very accurate out to a range of 250-300yds I can a hit a steel plate thats 12in in diameter with open sights on it I used hunting here in missouri and I loved it not to much weight and your not suppose to be hunting with a mag that has over 11 rounds in it anyways so I just the 5 round one that I use for target practice its also very fun to shoot with my 2 40rd banana clips in it as well :D lol the AR is going to have less recoil than the AK just because its a bit better system and the round doesn't have as much powder behind as the 7.62X39 has ammo is cheap for both of them I think I pay $6 for 223 and $5.50 the 7.62X39 idk there both about the same you can go get a cheap AK for about $300-400 depending on what you get but I paid 500 for mine cause it was made by norinco and its an NHM91 version 20" barrel with bipod and the gun its worth about 1200 right now a good AR will run you about anywhere from 700-1500 or more
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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2013, 03:08:35 PM »
You could deer hunt with an AK-47 just as easily as you would any other .30 cal rifle, unless you shoot your deer at ranges beyond 3-400 yards. The AR in 5.56mm would equal (or actually be a little better) than any .223 rifle.

Of course this depends on the quality of the weapon. A proper new-built AK will shoot 1-1.5 MOA which will give you a grouping of 1-1.5 inches at 100 yards. AR's generally shoot better than that.

Hunting Deer would be much better with an SKS over an AK-47.   The "hunting deer with an AK-47" is played out.  
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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2013, 03:19:15 PM »
Hunting Deer would be much better with an SKS over an AK-47.   The "hunting deer with an AK-47" is played out.  

At 200 yards the energy on a 7.62x39 drops under the magic 800 ft/pounds recommended for deer (in fact between the 223 and this there's not a huge E difference). I assume people aren't confusing the 7.62x39 with the 7.62x54?

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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2013, 03:45:31 PM »
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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2013, 04:36:47 PM »
Hunting Deer would be much better with an SKS over an AK-47.   The "hunting deer with an AK-47" is played out.  

Yes, but also no...

I don't necessarily have an issue with you deciding one weapon is better than the other, it's the "played out" comment I don't like (just my opinion).

If you're looking for a "best" option for deer, it's likely not going to be any non-bolt action firearm (IMO).  I'd also argue that the caliber choices in any of the .223 range are far from "good" when it comes to hunting deer.

I've hunted deer successfully with my .22-250, which has substantially more punch to it than any of the .223's, even though it fires essentially the same bullet.  Is an itty-bitty 55gr or so bullet, that will perform just fine on even large whitetails out to several hundred yards if you make a nice clean broadside shot.  I just shot 2 nice whitetails with my .22-250 this fall.  The one that went the furthest went less than 50 yards, and left a wonderful blood trail.

I'd still consider that to be way, way, way "down there" when it comes to choosing an effective deer caliber though.

On the other hand, I absolutely love hunting deer with muzzle loaders, and my .54 flintlock is my number one "go-to" choice for deer hunting over any other rifle I've ever seen or heard of.  Of course, I'm not basing that entirely on effectiveness.  My .54 flintlock pistol is my second choice firearm.

I also LOVE hunting deer with my longbow and wooden arrows.

Heck, the vast majority of my hunting is with a hawk or falcon catching rabbits, squirrels, ducks, pheasants, crows, or pigeons.  I'd much rather hunt with a bird than any weapon at all.

Fortunately, we aren't limited to the "best" or "better" choices when it comes to hunting. 
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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2013, 04:39:33 PM »
Why would a person want a AR-15 or AK-47 ?  I have been thinking of buying one BUT what would I use it for . I think each gun is a tool and that tool is used for what season it is . Like I am a big time hunter . Hunt every chance I get but I'm not going to deer hunt with a AK-47 so why buy one ? I'm not going to use it to protect my home so I can't justis buying one .

Oh for gods sake, if you can't think of one don't buy one. Take this passive aggressive political crap off the boards for crying out loud.
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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2013, 04:45:34 PM »
Why would a person want a AR-15 or AK-47 ?  I have been thinking of buying one BUT what would I use it for . I think each gun is a tool and that tool is used for what season it is . Like I am a big time hunter . Hunt every chance I get but I'm not going to deer hunt with a AK-47 so why buy one ? I'm not going to use it to protect my home so I can't justis buying one .

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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2013, 04:49:19 PM »
Why would a person want a AR-15 or AK-47 ?  I have been thinking of buying one BUT what would I use it for . I think each gun is a tool and that tool is used for what season it is . Like I am a big time hunter . Hunt every chance I get but I'm not going to deer hunt with a AK-47 so why buy one ? I'm not going to use it to protect my home so I can't justis buying one .

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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2013, 05:02:20 PM »
because it is your right as an American to own whatever firearms you desire

do you hate freedom bro?

but that wasnt the question, was it?

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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2013, 05:05:50 PM »
because it is your right as an American to own whatever firearms you desire

do you hate freedom bro?

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Re: Another gun question
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2013, 05:13:38 PM »
because it is your right as an American to own whatever firearms you desire

do you hate freedom bro?

shouldn't you be at the beach cuz?