Lusches AH Stats Megathread

[Krusty]

As we all know, numbers don't lie.

[insert stuff about unperking spit14 here]

Numbers don't lie because numbers don't speak for themselves. They don't lie because they don't carry meaning. They are simply a value. That's like saying "Letters don't lie" -- it's how you use letters that is misleading, inaccurate, or false.

In the argument against perk price on spit14, lusche's stats don't 1) convey the full picture 2) have any context to qualify usage of spit14s or 3) give you information you need to make an argument about unperking spit14s.

They're good to look at for some ideas of use, but they are not absolute, nor are they "complete stats". This doesn't mean they lie, but you are reading into them what you want to read into them.


edit: clarified wording.

[Karnak]

What possible justification is there to perk the Spitfire Mk XIV?

Krusty,

You have always argued against it being unperked, yet you never have provided a single supporting data point.

[bustr]

It don't get used.

We only use perk rides based on utillity and bang for buck. The Me163 is purposed by location availability to see little and very specific use becasue it's bang for buck is so high resulting in the expected low numbers over the years. The spit14 has a pitifull perk price almost making it a freebee. New players have the potential to earn one almost every day and many spitfire vets have so many perks they could fly it as their main ride for years. The K4 is easier to fly with better WEP results, while the 4Hog, Tempest and 262 are worth the price for the utility and bang for buck outcome even if you loose one.

Our vets don't waste the points on the spit14 and our new to average players don't either. The utillity and bang for buck is not worth the price as shown in the numbers. The spit16 and spit8 are being chosen over it. The Ta152 has lower usage after it was unperked than the A8 and D9. Even with it's large bang for buck weapons package but, more demanding characteristics to succeed with it at MA general alts.

In the world of the MA there will not be any sudden population explosion of the general player base into ACM monsters who can turn a free spit14 into the ride of death to the community like the muppets and a hand full of others have done with the G14\K4. If anything the first week or so being un perked will cause alot of less accomplished players to pad everyones score before it goes back to being a hanger queen becasue of it's demanding nature to succeed with it. Or worse a few squads will leverage it to deal with the P51D alt scourge and push them down to MA furballing levels while they run away by diving trying to get the spit14's chasing them to compress.

At MA combat alts it becomes a sitting duck unless flown by a very experienced hand. Lately most players I run into flying it can get just so many loops on WEP before the Brewsters steal them from my spit8. I don't beleive Lusche has any reason to fudge the numbers with the spit14.

Maybe the Ta152 becasue he's so derned good in them....

[Scotch]

The 14 gets a ton of use in the Furball lake area, most likely solely because it is perked in the MA. 

[SPKmes]

The 14 gets a ton of use in the Furball lake area, most likely solely because it is perked in the MA. 

or people don't know their roman numerals 

[mechanic]

 

I remember when the mossie was fixed, even though it did some funky stuff, i preferred it prior to the fix.

me too

hey thrila

[Karnak]

I remember when the mossie was fixed, even though it did some funky stuff, i preferred it prior to the fix.

me too

hey thrila

That is true of specialists, but since the update the Mossie has consistently had a better than 1 for 1 K/D ratio whereas before it rarely managed to hit .8 to 1.

[icepac]

Unperking spit XIV would only increase it's usage a small amount.

If the main arena used the DA's fuel burn at 1.0, where a spit XIV can fly across the map and back on 50% fuel (dueling arena)............or fly around with a minimal fuel load for a long period, I could see an issue with unperking it.

It only sees greater use in the DA because of the fuel burn.

[Volron]

I could put the numbers up later, but there's a problem with it - Many bombers do actually try to avoid combat at all, particularly lesser armed and/or expensive ones. So unlike fighters (which contrary to some public opinion mostly at least try to get a kill), it's difficult to tell how much Mossie 16, Ar 234 or B-29 are really used just by looking at their kills and deaths. Only HTC can do that by examining sortie numbers or even better, total flight time for each type).

That one is a doozy indeed.  Guess that one is out the window.

What about GV's then?  I would think the Panzer H is still "top dog", with the T-34/86 being right up there.  But I could be wrong as I encounter a LOT more T-34/86's now than Panzer H's.  I remembered that the Panzer H was a very common vehicle from my perspective.

[Lusche]

That one is a doozy indeed.  Guess that one is out the window.

Not entirely. Bomber stuff should be ready in two hours or so 

What about GV's then? 

After I have done the bomber stuff 

[Lusche]

As announced, here are some key stats on the (formation) bombers in 2012

First, the standard historical "usage" chart. I just didn't name it that way this time, because as explained earlier the method of adding Kills & Deaths doesn't really work with a category of planes in which many types do nothing but to avoid any hostile contacts due to limited armament and/or very high perk price.

So take the following chart just as giving you a very vague trend, but not a real indicator of relative usage:




The next one shows the causes of combat losses for each formation capable bomber type in AH. Of course I can't track AI ack or operator errors (taking off towards a steep hillside...)



As you can see, the causes of deaths vary a lot between the different types according to their main mission profiles. A high share in deaths by ship/field gun is mostly a result of many naval attack sorties.


The following chart depicts the A2A K/D of each level bomber. It doesn't show overall survivability (this depends a lot on speed and mission profile as well), but shows how much (or little) of a fight a bomber can put up when actually caught by a fighter.
I would love to correlate that with number of sorties flown, but sadly HTC doesn't make this information available.




And at last (for now), a look at the top 10 B-29 killers of 2012 by number of kills and the K/D against the Superfortress:

[Babalonian]

Wow, the 410 didn't even register!      Very cool Snail.

[Lusche]

Wow, the 410 didn't even register! 

Not in the top 10, but then it only came to AH in July 2012. Had it been here for the whole year, it most probably would have appeared on that chart. In less than a half year the 410 claimed 45 kills on the B-29 (6 of them by yours truly  ) at a K/D of 2.5, while the 110 got 71 during the whole year at a K/D of 1.87

[mechanic]

That is true of specialists, but since the update the Mossie has consistently had a better than 1 for 1 K/D ratio whereas before it rarely managed to hit .8 to 1.

This is a good thing then. I certainly see a lot more mossies in the air these days than a few years ago.

If the model was made more realistic then it's also a very good thing. I found that after the mossie fix the elevator authority was slightly reduced. Before it was common that pulling too hard would swing the tail through the CoG, where as now it is no problem to pull full deflection even at low speeds. I am not sure which of those attributes is more realistic though.

[Lusche]

A follow up on the Spit 14 argument:
 
Until autumn 2006, both had been perk planes with a similar (if not the same) perk price. Then the Ta 152H was unleashed, and later redone in early 2008.

The following chart depicts the change in USAGE (as always based on K+D) and K/D.
Please take into account that even after being freed, the Ta 152H remained a relatively rare 'experten' fighter, with a few pilots often pretty much dominating the stats. I might even look into that detail at a later point if somebody is really interested in that.