He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!

[jag88]

Since the He-111 is such a "popular" ride, why not a variant that would make its introduction less of a wasted effort?





These should be He-111H-20/R11s, but the lack of a 13mm dorsal turret make that assumption suspect.

Both pictures can be seen, right?

[Lusche]

Since the He-111 is such a "popular" ride

I'd guess HTC were quite aware how little usage this plane would see in the LW arena when they created it... 

[LCADolby]

2 of us took the 111 for a spin yesterday

[macleod01]

The addition of the He-111 was never about adding another super monster ride to the MA. I don't think ANY of its advocates thought it would be the most used bomber in the MA.

Read the thread again. What most of us wanted, including myself, was a hole filler. This is THE most Iconic german bomber, arguably THE most Iconic german plane! The contenders for that title are the 111, 109 or Stuka. We wanted this plane because it deserves to be here. The last BoB scenario proved that! Heck, I have a patch from the 2006 scenario with the 111 on it because it is that Iconic!

This plane fills so many gaps it is unbelievable. It would be the equivelant of having the british plane set without the Lancaster!

As I said, we never expected to see this plane everywhere, but we did expect to see it used in almost every ETO scenario played out. And in that role, I believe it has succeeded. Ironically, I do believe that more 88's were shot down during the BoB scenario than 111s. Sturdy little plane!

[jag88]

The addition of the He-111 was never about adding another super monster ride to the MA. I don't think ANY of its advocates thought it would be the most used bomber in the MA.

Read the thread again. What most of us wanted, including myself, was a hole filler. This is THE most Iconic german bomber, arguably THE most Iconic german plane! The contenders for that title are the 111, 109 or Stuka. We wanted this plane because it deserves to be here. The last BoB scenario proved that! Heck, I have a patch from the 2006 scenario with the 111 on it because it is that Iconic!

This plane fills so many gaps it is unbelievable. It would be the equivelant of having the british plane set without the Lancaster!

As I said, we never expected to see this plane everywhere, but we did expect to see it used in almost every ETO scenario played out. And in that role, I believe it has succeeded. Ironically, I do believe that more 88's were shot down during the BoB scenario than 111s. Sturdy little plane!

There was already an early war German bomber, the 88 (which is, in fact, far more famous AND relevant than an already obsolete converted airliner) the hole exists in the middle to late war German bomber where there is nothing but a perked jet bomber.

A paratrooper option or variant would at least give it some use while providing an axis transport alternative.

I'd guess HTC were quite aware how little usage this plane would see in the LW arena when they created it... 

One would assume, it is still curious it was included when there is no Ju-188, Do-217 or He-177 in game.

[SmokinLoon]

I use the He111's often enough.  They are my #1 favorite to take after cv's. The 2 x 1000 kg bombs (X 3) is nice.  Torps are a good option, too. It is nice not having to pull way back on the throttle to get under 200 TAS. 

No, it isn't going to win any races except maybe a climbing race to 10k, but it has its merits.    Obviously, it has a much better chance of making it home with a fighter escort (as it should be). 

   

[Karnak]

There was already an early war German bomber, the 88 (which is, in fact, far more famous AND relevant than an already obsolete converted airliner) the hole exists in the middle to late war German bomber where there is nothing but a perked jet bomber.

Not to Brits and Yanks it isn't.  In addition the 1941 Ju88A-4 has consistently demonstrated that Hurricane and Spitfire Mk Is are incapable of significantly hindering it.

A paratrooper option or variant would at least give it some use while providing an axis transport alternative.

Being faster and tougher than the C-47 it would make base captures easier, which HTC may not want.

One would assume, it is still curious it was included when there is no Ju-188, Do-217 or He-177 in game.

One can ask that about a great many things, and conversely if the Ju188 had been added instead one could ask why the Ju188 is in the game when the He111 is not.  And that is just limiting it to asking about German aircraft.  Have you checked out the Russian bomber set?

[Dragon Tamer]

The 111 surprised me a bit. I was expecting a plane that would fall apart when you looked at it funny and could hardly do damage to a town. What we got is a plane that most people foolishly feel comfortable sitting 400 yards off it's 6 while it's opening up with all it's guns. It's also a great perk farmer.

I think the addition of paratroopers would be a nice touch and give the plane a little more diversity (thought the option of drones would have to go).

[Lusche]

It's also a great perk farmer.

It has about the same bombload and the about same OBJ as the B-26, which means that you will get the same number of perks if you are bombing the same things. But the B-26 can do it faster, with much less risk of dying before ever getting to target. And of course the 26 can more easily getting additional perks by shooting down enemy fighters...

[ReVo]

It has about the same bombload and the about same OBJ as the B-26, which means that you will get the same number of perks if you are bombing the same things. But the B-26 can do it faster, with much less risk of dying before ever getting to target. And of course the 26 can more easily getting additional perks by shooting down enemy fighters...

Yeah but the B-26 is ugly. 

[Slash27]

Since the He-111 is such a "popular" ride, why not a variant that would make its introduction less of a wasted effort?

Don't fly it?

[Hajo]

He111 was needed for special events.  The MA has all the latest like the Me410....oh....that used in large numbers?

MA is gameland so all the latest and greatest can shoot and run.  I call it Air Quake on steroids.

Why I rarely if ever play in the MA.  Not a first person shooter game player.

[uptown]

I'd rather see a German transport plane equal to the C-47 added to the plane set rather than the HE-111 pulling double duty mainly because of the very reason Karnak stated above. And it would be nice to have something from the Axis side used solely for transport just to add some variety to the choices we have to fulfill that role in the game.

[Lusche]

The MA has all the latest like the Me410....oh....that used in large numbers?

Compared to the He 111? Yes, absolutely. 

In this years fighter usage (K+D) the 410 has established itself right in the middle of the field (#34 out of 71), right among planes like Ta-152, Me 262, P-51B or Yak-9U and way ahead of planes like the La-5.

[USRanger]

He111 was needed for special events.  The MA has all the latest like the Me410....oh....that used in large numbers?

MA is gameland so all the latest and greatest can shoot and run.  I call it Air Quake on steroids.

Why I rarely if ever play in the MA.  Not a first person shooter game player.

Perfect statement.  MA is X-box land.  Can't even remember the last time I went in there.  Spit vs. Spit, Pony vs. Pony is just plain retarded, but that's what the X-boxers like.