FSO is about who you know not what you know

[Devil 505]

There is nothing in that post about your kills devil Oh i get it ya ate the sausage with your scrambled eggs

I gave that as an example. You imply that KN is a "mega squad" that only gets kills because "we horde". You do this in every thread where my squad in involved in a discussion. You are a one hit wonder -same damn song over and over and over...

Go play with your toys Surf. The adults are talking now.

[cohofly]

Does being bad at basic math make you ignorant, or does being ignotant make you bad at basic math?

I laugh every time you claim that KN hordes. Our 25 kills last night came from just 11 pilots, defending a V-base ALONE.

20 of those kills came from 3 pilots, Im guessing it doesnt look so good for the remaining 8. And you werent even there Devil LOL

[surfinn]

oh man i didn't know that thank god they have three good players;) LOL  That math work for ya devil? or was it like taking to many orders on the grill>>>

[CAP1]

i appreciate what youre saying Slipknot. but its clear to me from these posts and one private message that small squads dont matter and neither does our opinion or requests. if more guys were like you it would be fair for everyone, but its not. ive been told to accept that, bc we are insignificant in the overall scheme and outcome. basically we are only here to prop the mega squads up to their rightful elite status.

 i've been staying out of this...and i will....except for one. thing.

 ALL squads matter. including the small ones.

[Devil 505]

20 of those kills came from 3 pilots, Im guessing it doesnt look so good for the remaining 8. And you werent even there Devil LOL

Looks fine to me when you considder the assists. Team first, indivdual second.
I wasn't there because my gaming rig crapped out. That doesnt mean that I dont comunicate with squaddies about the event.

[cohofly]

Orwell said it best in Animal Farm "All pigs are created equal, but some are more equal than others."

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Devil

[Poppy]

A fair rotation is fair, I don't see the recent order of rotations as being fair. It's not about helping a squad or side it's about a fair rotation so the few having to repeat this cycle don't have to, make it fair for all FSO sticks to have to do this and then everyone has the same gripe instead of the multiple pro and cons we're debating. The percentages are the goal from what I understand, so then a squad or squads goes over each tour to fill the percentages for that tour. Next tour is then rotated to the next squad or squads and so on for the rest of the year. I just feel that a squad that's been rotated should not have to be rotated before those not having been rotated yet. Especially when it's contrary to their request. I want it fair or am I missing something that's been said on this thread.

[razmataz]

Since there are more squads that like to fly Allies why in the world would anybody want squads that are dedicated Axis to fly Allies? For every dedicated Axis squad that are forced to fly Allies there's an Allied squad that's forced to fly Axis  Now there are two unhappy squads. Hey its great if the Dedicated Axis squads get to fly there side every month, means better chance for my squad to fly Allies if we choose. They are the minority, why punish them cause there lucky and get to fly there prefered ride?
My squads motto is to have fun in FSO, that's number one rule. Some FSO's are obviously more fun than others. One thing I've learned here is that sometimes when were assigned crappy planes or a side we didn't want we end up having a better time than if we got the flashier planes. .

[hammer]

Let's look at the argument for a fair rotation. First, the parameters and assumptions.

Let's say for simplicity sake the FSO takes 200 peeps.

The scenario has a 60/40 split in favor of allies (120 allied / 80 axis)

There's 5 large squads of 20, 6 medium squads of 10, and 8 small squads of 5.

3 large squads, 4 medium squads, and 6 small squads want to be allied (130 people)

2 large squad, 2 medium squads, and 2 small squads want to be axis (70 people)

In this scenario, we need 10 people to take the side they don't want. For the first frame, 2 small squads were assigned to axis. For the second frame, a medium squad was assigned axis. And for the third frame, 2 small squads were assigned axis. If we assume the next month is similar except that the medium squads go to the side they don't want twice and 2 small squad do it once, then we end up with 4 medium squads being assigned to sides they don't want every 6th or 7th frame, and 6 of the small squads have to change to a side they don't like every 4th or 5th frame. Meanwhile, 2 each large, medium and small squads get to stay axis. If I understand correctly, this is what is not fair. Fair would be every squad changing sides (in this scenario) every other or, at best, every 3rd frame. So, in a Pacific scenario when JG11 or Kommando Nowotny is willing to fly Japanese so more allied oriented players can fly their big blue birds, fair would be to force the allied squads to fly Japanese. And in a European scenario, it's better to force everybody to spend at least half the time "out of their comfort zone" instead of the obvious solution of minimizing the number of people who are forced to change sides. Remember, to make this fit your definition of fair, every squad will be changing sides at a minimum every other or every third frame. Not month, but frame. I'm guessing you wouldn't be any happier with that setup.

I don't know what might be a solution to your discontentment, but I doubt what you are implying as a "fair" rotation would satisfy you in the long term.

Regards,

Hammer

[1Canukk]

OH OH   problem , someone actualy made sence .    Razmataz .  Hammer .

[VuduVee]

just to be clear, my post wasnt directed at rotation. i always understood that it was a given that every squad rotated. for me personally, i dont care what side im on as long as its fair.

[kilo2]

20 of those kills came from 3 pilots, Im guessing it doesnt look so good for the remaining 8. And you werent even there Devil LOL

The fact you even bring that up speaks volumes.

Those 3 people had the opportunity to do well because they had squaddies backing them up.

[Poppy]

The actual issues are being deflected from. For the purposes of a conglomerate of pilots views of what FSO PILOTS should be following as rules at this point in the thread, may as well be a kangaroo courts dictates to the rest of us not being in one of two large axis squads. That's according to what I'm reading and also in a few more private forums. There's an issue being brought out today that needs addressing by HTC directly with regard to the rotation specificly.  I love this FSO, it is a rigid and challenging set up and its rules are too. It's been fun too.The issue of rotation needs a ruling that lists an order that's known and adhered to, it's that simple. Solves allot of aching. One of the original FSO guys listed above that I personally respect explained it to us a long time ago and it's more than fair, but it's not a rule we can find written anywhere today. Problem is this unwritten rule is only enforced for a select portion of participating patrons within FSO. This is why I was confused about 'some' of us getting the duty so much. It's not about who likes or dislikes rather all sharing equally those likes and dislikes. It evens out. I don't know why questionable comments replace solutions and wonder whom actually makes a decision like this for the sake of what we all have bought into through AH? All of us investing an equal share, outside those working the scenarios and such, into what we would like to enjoy in FSO should be entitled to a fair say with out the mandates, pandering or inner circle politics of a select few FSO pilots having no more authority to rule on this matter than rest of us do. They're incharge of set ups and enforcement of the rules, not making the rules other than assisting in their creation with the rest of us. The Allied rides are another issue mentioned. Rotation helps this also. Introduce some more late war rides, the sticks normally in German iron having an Allied rotation get a comparable ride to what they're used to or better and everyone suffers evenly or gets happy together. But shafting a few  for the sake of some has to go, especially when they don't share the shafting equally. Allot of good suggestion by good guys where dealing with many issues today and actually cleared some things up too, but there was allot of nonsense. I don't like to bicker when it's easier to solve it but I won't be brushed aside for the sake of a group that feels they can misrepresent what AHII advertises, HTC should be in on this issue to make a decision, it's not the elephants in the arenas place to do this. This has to be HTC's call and I ask directly for his input through this reply. Vudu has a valid point and just as reasonable a solution as these guys present if these issues being brought up for remedy can't be dealt with fairly for all of us that partake in these events. We're all a part of this and personally I would hate to leave, it can always get better but it MUST be fair for this to happen. I deal with enough real world mentality with people running wild doing only what the big guys says is alright, we don't need to become that or even allow it in here. If based on principle alone, I side with Vudu's view of what's going down in here and I feel if this is the treatment the rest of us can expect to continue, then the only alternative is to leave and suggest the others in our predicament do the same, then ya's can play by yourselves and wind up restructuring the whole thing instead of just getting to a fair solution. If it comes down to business as usual and winds up remaining this way with out explanation from the man himself I'll go a step further and leave this site, IL2 was brought up over this today. I'm preparing to back my words up after reading the rhetoric displayed here today over something that shouldn't be allowed to begin with in here . . politics and bullies. When so many are saying this is getting old fast what makes the others feel we'll accept simply be ignored or told to continue as is? For the sake of us wanting to not have to stand our ground, deal with this, come to an agreement and make it a rule. Should already be written when ya think about it. The other issues can be worked out too. OMFG, rules go against my grain and ya's got me demanding one!  

[Dantoo]

Never got a side I didn't like.

Never got a ride I wasn't happy with.

All is well in the Universe.  /close thread


 

[VuduVee]

Never got a side I didn't like.

Never got a ride I wasn't happy with.

All is well in the Universe.  /close thread


 

go troll somewhere else cool guy.