FSO is about who you know not what you know

[Poppy]

how does a squad even get to be a "dedicated" axis/allied squad. It has been over a year that we where under the impression every squad had to rotate at least once a year divided by the number of squads. We thought wrong based on this misinformation, we found no rules pertaining to this unless it is represented elsewhere. When we registered as the 35th we thought we where a dedicated Allied squad. All of us have done what we have been ordered to do, mostly; but I just don't see the simplest math adding up to do with a fair rotation if it doesn't include all squads. First month this year we've been denied our requests, the math looks like it's going to repeat and this birds chirppin about it    

[SlipKnt]

I see and understand Vudu's frustration.  I am sure that almost everyone agrees, what is the point of posting a ride preference if you dont stand a chance of getting that ride if you are a smaller squad.  

In all honesty, I know that when I am CiC I do my best to be fair to everyone.  I actually like to pull the smaller squads in with G3-MF because I know they will work with us and will communicate during the week leading to FSO.

The key here (in my mind) is communication in the days prior to FSO.  If everyone understands the mission adn communicates leading up and through out, there is mission success so long as the mission planned is sound.

I never try to take over orders and "run" the show in our particular assigned group.  But I do try to step up and put something on the table so every squad has input and something is in place for the event.  I think most of you know that about me by now.

I never use smaller squads as a filler, but when first started learning about planning, I sent 3 small squads to defend a large airfield and learned a valueable lesson about the smaller squads, which I think this thread is similarily similar to.  I haven't done it since.

Vudu, please don't leave FSO as not only wil we all suffer the loss, so will your squad.

I have mad respect for the 325th as they taught us FSO and took us on while we learned and built our squad around these particular events.  We have become so proficient that we apply these tactics in the MAs and have driven many a sticks crazy over how we play and fight in the game.  

The bottom line is please stay the course.  You and Duxford are a valuable asset to the FSO community and it would ba a shame if anyone left over frustration.  We stand by you completely and have respect for your squad.  Don't lose sight of the fact that most of the time, it is fun.  We all stil go through the BS of polotics of the game.  I don't (personally) believe favorites are chosen for ride preference, however, I get mad as hell when a squad doesn;t communicate and due to that lack of comms, a mission fails or an entire squad gets taken out because someone wasn't where they were supposed to be.  Sometimes, it si simple bad planning, sometimes, it is bacause we are out numbered and out classed.  The one thing I preach to my squad is stay together and have fun.  If the night ends early, we will meet in the MAs and take i tout on the community...

 

[surfinn]

We're getting nearer the black now.

Not sure what ya mean by that. Is that a I burned my chicken melt comment?

[SlipKnt]

how does a squad even get to be a "dedicated" axis/allied squad. It has been over a year that we where under the impression every squad had to rotate at least once a year divided by the number of squads. We thought wrong based on this misinformation, we found no rules pertaining to this unless it is represented elsewhere. When we registered as the 35th we thought we where a dedicated Allied squad. All of us have done what we have been ordered to do, mostly; but I just don't see the simplest math adding up to do with a fair rotation if it doesn't include all squads. First month this year we've been denied our requests, the math looks like it's going to repeat and this birds chirppin about it    

Agreed.  As a result, we try to switch allied and axis every other month unless blue planes are at stake (pacific theater).  Pacific theater, we try to stay allied when ever blue planes are at stake...  We switch between both sides to be fair to others that want a switch and thought we were supposed to rotate.  Is this not the right thing to do??????

[Shifty]

grate answer shifty. Now the axis should have to do the same thing, just to keep things fair I would say, especially the mega squads like JG11 and KN. Allies have squads their size that can swap out with them quarterly so why isn't it happening????   Makes me feel like I got my eggs fried when I asked for them scrambled.

Because there are always more squads requesting to fly Allied then there are squads requesting to fly Axis. This has been pointed out to you time and time again, you seem more intent on looking for a conspiracy than you are looking for a straight answer.

[Stampf]

Agreed.  As a result, we try to switch allied and axis every other month unless blue planes are at stake (pacific theater).  Pacific theater, we try to stay allied when ever blue planes are at stake...  We switch between both sides to be fair to others that want a switch and thought we were supposed to rotate.  Is this not the right thing to do??????

And Blue planes to G3-MF are the same as Gray planes to III/JG11.

We hope to get them and request "No Preference" Pacific...so you can get what you hope for too.


Have never complained about a side assignment and never will.

[VuduVee]

Vudu - My comments are to your first post.

The 325th VFG has gone up and down in its numbers over the years.  And the 325th VFG is one of the original FSO squads.  We had a period of time where we were so small that every week it seemed liked we got our clocks cleaned because we ran into a larger squad.  Morale plummeted and the future of the squad was in question...

I didn't complain about it - I fixed the problem internally.  We recruited, and we joined forces with other squads to form into a larger squad for the FSO.  In time the issue corrected itself.  Today the 325th VFG has only a few remaining 325th VFG pilots.  The others come and go weekly and are part of the "Ironhorsemen".  G3MF and the 325th VFG use to fly together until they separated and started flying by themselves.  The same was true of the 35th who also flew with the 325th VFG for awhile until they took on the responsibility of being your own squad in the FSO.  Internally the indpendent squads form up into their flights and form into a larger group.  So squad identifiy is kept.  I'd be glad to join forces with any small squad as long as we can plan, coordinate and fight as a team.  No bozo's shotting down friendlies, No drunks or druggies or kids under 17 are allowed.  We come to play once a week to the best of our abilities.

Over the years I have planned and helped plan more CIC missions than I can remember.  Small squads aren't as effective as the larger squads in the operations, so yes the smaller squads have to get attached to other larger squads or should be in order to give them a better chance of success and survival.  I also never will put a small squad in charge of a Strike Package internal to a mission I plan.  Has nothing to do with personalities just the plain fact that the larger squad owns the assists.  No "gets" a turn to be fair.  You have and run a large squad you get put in charge and that's how I plan.  And history has shown time and time again that when planners band together 4-6 small squads into a large formation they tent not to do as well as a 1-2 squad configuration of the same size.  Being small has limitations, just a fact.

That being said I will assign smaller squads to the following duties - Perked AC when I need to spread limited AC to several locations.  Makes more sense than splitting up a larger squad into 2 different AC types.  Scouting duties as part of larger Strike Package.  Keeps them close to a larger element in case they need help, and they will.  Escorting packages so that the Escort Leader can detach a smaller element as needed during the fight.  This gives flexibility.

Being in a small squad has limitations, just a fact.  If you don't want to be small than change it, we did.  But don't ask the FSO community to change anything to accommodate.  

wow! so asking the CiC's to play fair and give smaller squads their fair due is basically asking the FSO community to go out of their way to accomodate? im sorry but thats crap and unfair. its more proof that smaller squads get shafted and that its common knowledge we do and perfectly acceptible to shaft us.  even tho we work as hard as any one we get none of the benefits of our work. if thats not playing favorites then i dont know what is. all i wanted was to get a fair shake and its apparent that we wont get it, so ill push for us leaving FSO if its not goin to be fair.  

[surfinn]

Because there are always more squads requesting to fly Allied then there are squads requesting to fly Axis. This has been pointed out to you time and time again, you seem more intent on looking for a conspiracy than you are looking for a straight answer.

yep you know me when I see a squad that never shifts I call it a conspiracy lol. Or wait is that a fact? Oh it is a fact that JG11 and KN only swap sides once a year while others are forced to do it quarterly.  Got to say shiftty I'm surprised you flipped that waffle that way.

[cohofly]

I dont know??????? Seems pretty simple to me 34 squads signed up for last nights first frame. Shouldnt be too hard to divvy em up 60%-40%. Whats the big deal. Somehow every one  is supposed to keep the larger squads happy at the expense of the smaller squads????? I fail to see how this is satisfactory for the majority of FSO participants in the 7-10 and 4-6 range. Lets face it, the smaller squads are the majority here, maybe its high time that their oppinions are heard. Why give any squad a choice, mix it up each and every time, that way there is no reason to complain. It becomes a level playing field for each squad. IMO there would be much better fights and waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy less Board squeaking.
My 2 cents
Carver

[VuduVee]

I see and understand Vudu's frustration.  I am sure that almost everyone agrees, what is the point of posting a ride preference if you dont stand a chance of getting that ride if you are a smaller squad.  

In all honesty, I know that when I am CiC I do my best to be fair to everyone.  I actually like to pull the smaller squads in with G3-MF because I know they will work with us and will communicate during the week leading to FSO.

The key here (in my mind) is communication in the days prior to FSO.  If everyone understands the mission adn communicates leading up and through out, there is mission success so long as the mission planned is sound.

I never try to take over orders and "run" the show in our particular assigned group.  But I do try to step up and put something on the table so every squad has input and something is in place for the event.  I think most of you know that about me by now.

I never use smaller squads as a filler, but when first started learning about planning, I sent 3 small squads to defend a large airfield and learned a valueable lesson about the smaller squads, which I think this thread is similarily similar to.  I haven't done it since.

Vudu, please don't leave FSO as not only wil we all suffer the loss, so will your squad.

I have mad respect for the 325th as they taught us FSO and took us on while we learned and built our squad around these particular events.  We have become so proficient that we apply these tactics in the MAs and have driven many a sticks crazy over how we play and fight in the game.  

The bottom line is please stay the course.  You and Duxford are a valuable asset to the FSO community and it would ba a shame if anyone left over frustration.  We stand by you completely and have respect for your squad.  Don't lose sight of the fact that most of the time, it is fun.  We all stil go through the BS of polotics of the game.  I don't (personally) believe favorites are chosen for ride preference, however, I get mad as hell when a squad doesn;t communicate and due to that lack of comms, a mission fails or an entire squad gets taken out because someone wasn't where they were supposed to be.  Sometimes, it si simple bad planning, sometimes, it is bacause we are out numbered and out classed.  The one thing I preach to my squad is stay together and have fun.  If the night ends early, we will meet in the MAs and take i tout on the community...

 

i appreciate what youre saying Slipknot. but its clear to me from these posts and one private message that small squads dont matter and neither does our opinion or requests. if more guys were like you it would be fair for everyone, but its not. ive been told to accept that, bc we are insignificant in the overall scheme and outcome. basically we are only here to prop the mega squads up to their rightful elite status.

[Devil 505]

grate answer shifty. Now the axis should have to do the same thing, just to keep things fair I would say, especially the mega squads like JG11 and KN. Allies have squads their size that can swap out with them quarterly so why isn't it happening????   Makes me feel like I got my eggs fried when I asked for them scrambled.

And of course viper has to pipe in with a long histroy leason and a full page of BS before he actually makes his point.

Does being bad at basic math make you ignorant, or does being ignotant make you bad at basic math?

I laugh every time you claim that KN hordes. Our 25 kills last night came from just 11 pilots, defending a V-base ALONE.

[surfinn]

There is nothing in that post about your kills devil Oh i get it ya ate the sausage with your scrambled eggs

[Poppy]

Agreed.  As a result, we try to switch allied and axis every other month unless blue planes are at stake (pacific theater).  Pacific theater, we try to stay allied when ever blue planes are at stake...  We switch between both sides to be fair to others that want a switch and thought we were supposed to rotate.  Is this not the right thing to do??????

Personally I single out no squad in particular, that's not even on my radar. I'm not sure if I missed how this rotation works out or not because I was looking at the numbers. Some get rotated and others hardly get to do it at all. I want to be that guy is all I'm saying. If it's sread out fairly then my squad should be allowed to at least feel we're Allied sticks and not have to contiually be flipping sides especially when we request otherwise. I like my choice of sides and deal with all those issues also but this is something that is simple if it's fairly carried out. Is there a ruling on this anywhere or are the big guy shootin from the hip on this one?

[Stampf]

Personally I single out no squad in particular, that's not even on my radar. I'm not sure if I missed how this rotation works out or not because I was looking at the numbers. Some get rotated and others hardly get to do it done at all. I want to be that guy is all I'm saying. If it's sread out fairly then my squad should be allowed to at least feel we're Allied sticks and not have to contiually be flipping sides especially when we request otherwise. I like my choice of sides and deal with all those issues also but this is something that is simple if it's fairly carried out. Is there a ruling on this anywhere?

And this is what I can't understand from your mates Poppy.  How does putting 20 more guys (III/JG11) allied, help?

That's 20 allied guys who will have to fly Axis and not want to.



 

[Shifty]

yep you know me when I see a squad that never shifts I call it a conspiracy lol. Or wait is that a fact? Oh it is a fact that JG11 and KN only swap sides once a year while others are forced to do it quarterly.  Got to say shiftty I'm surprised you flipped that waffle that way.

It has never been a conspiracy.. EVER. You're just trying to make it one. Did you think it was a conspiracy when I wrote the setup Fiery Sky / Frigid Sea?
The time frame was just a month or so before the FM2 was in the Fleet Air Arm  inventory. However I included it because it
balanced the setup more and because your squad's favorite ride the FM2 had been left out of setups for a while. I even made you Frame-1
CiC so you could assign yourself FM2s. I wasn't playing favorites, and I wasn't causing a conspiracy. I was doing what was right to ensure you guys got a shot
at flying your preferred ride in an FSO. You had no complaints then though did you? You want JG-11 and KN out of their comfort zone? They are in every PTO setup we run.
But hey we can force them to be Allied next setup. How about the next PTO setup they fly Corsairs or FM2s and some Navy and USMC squads get stuck in Zekes?
You complain about the Luftwaffe Squads and how they don't like you. Then you insult Viper the CO of one of the larger more organized Allied squads. You're running out of
any credit I ever gave you for being sensable. The only thing you seem to have a supply of is food analogies. I'm done trying to reason with you.