Reminder concerning 109E and 110C Jabos.

[Arlo]

You're welcome. Though I suppose giving good advice to the 'enemy' is seldom appreciated by either them or my allies. 

[perdue3]

You're welcome. Though I suppose giving good advice to the 'enemy' is seldom appreciated by either them or my allies. 

That is where you are wrong. I am honorable believe it or not and view aerial battles as a sport.


"We are sportsman, not butchers."  -  Manfred von Richthofen

[surfinn]

If you were Honerable you wouldn't be banned.

[perdue3]

If you were Honerable you wouldn't be banned.

If you could spell, people wouldn't think you're an idiot.

[kilo2]

If you could spell, people wouldn't think you're an idiot.

Boom goes the dynamite!

[Arlo]

http://youtu.be/N4vf8N6GpdM  

[surfinn]

ahh I'm sorry I spelled it wrong but the statement stands whats weird is it got past the ah spell checker;) lol
honorable, wow it was spelled right that time apparently and your still baned and humm I wonder why????????
I don't think Ive ever seen anyone baned from the game, ever unless they were manipulating the game.

[Devil 505]

Sorry Surf, wrong guess. Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy, where the scores can really change?

[perdue3]

ahh I'm sorry I spelled it wrong but the statement stands whats weird is it got past the ah spell checker;) lol
honorable, wow it was spelled right that time apparently and your still baned and humm I wonder why????????
I don't think Ive ever seen anyone baned from the game, ever unless they were manipulating the game.

banned*

you're*

[Triton28]

Check the website.   The jabo alt cap is listed under special rules.

[VonMessa]

Sorry Surf, wrong guess. Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy, where the scores can really change?

Can I have my foot in my mouth for $1000, Alex?

[perdue3]

Check the website.   The jabo alt cap is listed under special rules.

I am guessing you didnt read the whole thread. We know the Jabo alt cap is 15K. But apparently they become fighters when their ordnance is dropped. That sir, is not in the rules. However, we appreciate your input.

I have said this before in this thread but I must say it again. Emils and 110C's are labelled "Jabo". Jabo alt cap is 15K. Fighter alt cap is 20k. No where in the rules does it say that Jabos become fighters after they drop their ords. Although it could be understood as common knowledge, it is best not to assume things with CM's and rules. It is better to get clarity and assume the ridiculous before assuming the obvious. I have learned this the hard way and this is why I question the rules so much. I am looking for clarity, not a fight. People misunderstand me, and that is understandable.

Again I ask, will someone please add this new clarification into the rules please. Not everyone checks this thing. Most people will check the rules. If it is not there, then it remains unclear. I suppose a global announcement during the frame will work as well. Either way, something besides this thread is needed. I know that is a lot of work on you CM's and I apologize for it. I also thank you for clarifying and getting the word out elsewhere.

[Arlo]

I am guessing you didnt read the whole thread. We know the Jabo alt cap is 15K. But apparently they become fighters when their ordnance is dropped. That sir, is not in the rules. However, we appreciate your input.

I have said this before in this thread but I must say it again. Emils and 110C's are labelled "Jabo". Jabo alt cap is 15K. Fighter alt cap is 20k. No where in the rules does it say that Jabos become fighters after they drop their ords. Although it could be understood as common knowledge, it is best not to assume things with CM's and rules. It is better to get clarity and assume the ridiculous before assuming the obvious. I have learned this the hard way and this is why I question the rules so much. I am looking for clarity, not a fight. People misunderstand me, and that is understandable.

Again I ask, will someone please add this new clarification into the rules please. Not everyone checks this thing. Most people will check the rules. If it is not there, then it remains unclear. I suppose a global announcement during the frame will work as well. Either way, something besides this thread is needed. I know that is a lot of work on you CM's and I apologize for it. I also thank you for clarifying and getting the word out elsewhere.

"- 109Es and 110Cs must be used in Jabo role. They cannot be assigned as sweep or escort."

That is the first special rule listed, isn't it? You're right, nowhere in the special rules does it say 'Once they drop their ord they can now conduct fighter sweeps and bomber escort duties.' Is that what you want added? You want a loophole made official?

Shifty said Emils and 110s can grab for the sky between dropping and rearming. He seems to infer that rearming is somewhat expected. Yes, why don't we expand the rules.

Are they expected to rearm in this scenario or are the Emils and 110s expected to finish their Jabo runs as quickly as possible to change their roles to fighters, Shifty?  


(Sometimes rule lawyering is just plain transparent)  

[Arlo]

If I refuel and rearm before I tower out do I get two bonuses? The rules don't say otherwise. 

[perdue3]

It is a simple request.

After being debriefed by my stand-in CO last week, he had mentioned that. He kept his Emils below 15K for the whole frame. By my interpretation of the rules, he did right. But now, things have changed and apparently he could have went to 20K. It is a simple request and I am not sure why I am getting so much grief from this. Oh wait, I am perdweeb. Forgot for a second.

I see no need for sarcasm Arlo. I dont even know who you are or why you are all over me all of a sudden. What I do know is that I have a simple request and really see no reason why it not be granted.


As to the refuel and rearm thing, there is a semantic flaw in that rule. What he means is that you may refuel and rearm at any base. Landing bonuses are also available at any base. It is worded poorly. Read it like this: "You may rearm at any friendly field. You may also land at any friendly field and receive the 5 pt landing bonus."

However, I acknowledge your recognition of the semantic flaw and understand the point you have attempted to make. That is exactly my point with the alt cap rulings.