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Offline TonyJoey

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Bf-109F Ordinance
« on: July 10, 2013, 10:56:34 PM »
I'm reading through Osprey's Bf109 Aces of the Russian Front and it mentions Bf109's of JG51 serving in the ground attack role attacking Soviet Airfields near the onset of Barbarossa that carried four 50kg bombs or 2kg SD-2 Splitterbombe fragmentation bombs. This was in July of 1941, and here is a profile of 109F-2 with bombs loaded. I believe that the only major difference between the F-4 and F-2 was the 20mm hub cannon coming standard in the F-4 and would assume that F-4s would have the capability to carry 4 x 50kg bombs, but was unsure of the timeline of the 109F-2 and F-4 entering use and if F-4s were ever used in ground attack roles. Does anyone have any further information or photos of 109F-4s in ground attack configurations, and if so I think that by all means that those configurations should be added in game.

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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2013, 11:12:53 PM »
All 109F models could carry either the 4 50kilo or 1 250 kilo bomb with associated rack. The difference between the F-2 and F-4 lay in a slightly more powerful engine, larger oil cooler, larger engine intake, and a redesign in the way the tail mated to the fuselage to strengthen the joint. The upgrade to the Mg 151/20mm while "standard" in the F-4, was already underway in the field on F-2's.

The AH 109F should have the ability to Jabo. Furthermore, the graphic texture for the 250 kilo rack in already included on the 109F bitmap. This means all that is needed is a change in the coding and the 109F could carry a bomb.
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2013, 04:31:36 AM »
The 109F used to be able to carry a 250kg bomb and 20mm gondolas. For reasons unknown they were removed when the 109-series was updated.
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2013, 04:59:56 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on July 11, 2013, 04:31:36 AM
The 109F used to be able to carry a 250kg bomb and 20mm gondolas. For reasons unknown they were removed when the 109-series was updated.
F4 with gondies!?  :aok
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2013, 05:09:32 AM »
Yup.
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2013, 08:19:58 AM »
Only the 240 WNF-built F-4/R1 were able to carry Gondies because they had the attachment points and wiring for additional equipment.
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2013, 09:16:46 AM »
Quote from: Zacherof on July 11, 2013, 04:59:56 AM
F4 with gondies!?  :aok

Noooooooooo! Why would you do that to such a beautiful aircraft!?  :cry :huh










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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2013, 09:21:47 AM »
Quote from: Latrobe on July 11, 2013, 09:16:46 AM
Noooooooooo! Why would you do that to such a beautiful aircraft!?  :cry :huh










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 You don't remember the gondies on the F4??   you are a noob aren't you! :neener:

   It was a sweet ride and with the way I shoot I needed those extra rounds.



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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2013, 11:28:18 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on July 11, 2013, 04:31:36 AM
The 109F used to be able to carry a 250kg bomb and 20mm gondolas. For reasons unknown they were removed when the 109-series was updated.
Because it was meant to represent an early F-4, just as the Spit V was changed to represent an early Spit V.  There was no option for CMs to limit loadouts at that time so the only way to prevent the Allies from facing lat Bf109F-4s in their early Spit Vs/P-40s was to remove the option entirely.  Same goes for the 30mm on the Bf109G-6.

Given that situation is no longer true it would be great to see the bombs and gondolas for the Bf109F-4 added back in and the 30mm option for the Bf109G-6 added back in.

Nothing can be done for the Spitfire V though.  What it lost cannot be given back via hangar options.
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2013, 02:08:34 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on July 11, 2013, 11:28:18 AM
Because it was meant to represent an early F-4, just as the Spit V was changed to represent an early Spit V.  There was no option for CMs to limit loadouts at that time so the only way to prevent the Allies from facing lat Bf109F-4s in their early Spit Vs/P-40s was to remove the option entirely.  Same goes for the 30mm on the Bf109G-6.

Given that situation is no longer true it would be great to see the bombs and gondolas for the Bf109F-4 added back in and the 30mm option for the Bf109G-6 added back in.

Nothing can be done for the Spitfire V though.  What it lost cannot be given back via hangar options.
Yes the 30mm option would be awesome :aok
Quote from: Latrobe on July 11, 2013, 09:16:46 AM
Noooooooooo! Why would you do that to such a beautiful aircraft!?  :cry :huh










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G2 is still a better airframe :old:
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2013, 04:16:12 PM »
Quote from: TonyJoey on July 10, 2013, 10:56:34 PM
I'm reading through Osprey's Bf109 Aces of the Russian Front and it mentions Bf109's of JG51 serving in the ground attack role attacking Soviet Airfields near the onset of Barbarossa that carried four 50kg bombs or 2kg SD-2 Splitterbombe fragmentation bombs. This was in July of 1941, and here is a profile of 109F-2 with bombs loaded. I believe that the only major difference between the F-4 and F-2 was the 20mm hub cannon coming standard in the F-4 and would assume that F-4s would have the capability to carry 4 x 50kg bombs, but was unsure of the timeline of the 109F-2 and F-4 entering use and if F-4s were ever used in ground attack roles. Does anyone have any further information or photos of 109F-4s in ground attack configurations, and if so I think that by all means that those configurations should be added in game.

(Image removed from quote.)

I'm under the impression that the G-6's were pressed in to ground attack mode more than any other 109 model.  No?  I'd like to see the 109G-6 become the utility plane it was in the war (ground attack, fighter, bomber hunter w/ 30mm).

Regarding the 50kg bombs, I'd REALLY REALLY REALLY like for HTC to model the 8/50kg ability on the 190F-8 and whichever 109 model actually used the 4/50kg bombs.  Modeling the 190F-8 the capability to carry the 8/50kg bombs would certainly add something in to AH that were currently do not have: a single engine fighter with 8 bomb capability.   
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2013, 10:34:40 PM »
Quote from: Zacherof on July 11, 2013, 02:08:34 PM
G2 is still a better airframe :old:

 No!  :old:
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2013, 10:40:41 PM »
Quote from: Zacherof on July 11, 2013, 04:59:56 AM
F4 with gondies!?  :aok

Absolutely .. used to have them ... yes Obiwanjackeroff... here in this game  :O ....Mater fact... 240 of them were made...from the factory... but we cant have those  :cry

On the other hand ... maybe 12 TA-152H-0/1 were used operationally maybe 14... but we have that.... :neener:  :rofl :rofl


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Offline kilo2

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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2013, 12:27:01 AM »
Quote from: Megalodon on July 11, 2013, 10:40:41 PM
Absolutely .. used to have them ... yes Obiwanjackeroff... here in this game  :O ....Mater fact... 240 of them were made...from the factory... but we cant have those  :cry

On the other hand ... maybe 12 TA-152H-0/1 were used operationally maybe 14... but we have that.... :neener:  :rofl :rofl


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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2013, 09:51:57 AM »
Quote from: Karnak on July 11, 2013, 11:28:18 AM
Because it was meant to represent an early F-4, just as the Spit V was changed to represent an early Spit V.  

OK, but the 109F always had the option to take a DT or bombs on the centerline.

Another fun option would be Galland's F-2 with MG FF/M cannon in the wings and cigar lighter in the cockpit.
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