Bring on the Hos

[titanic3]

Ok lets aim for when you first get on.  I will have to head out around 6:45 est again.

Wiley.

Alright, I'll PM when I'm on. I'm also on for a little at around 10:30AM-12. If you could do that instead.

[scott66]

I turn to avoid the ho and get shot in belly or cockpit so when I get hoed I ho back I still miss cause I'm no good at hoing.I realize hoing is frowned upon and I never start the ho or try to let them get in position to ho me in the first place.however isn't it a realistic form of ACM? Wasn't it used in WWII?      PS.those that say hoing takes no skill are wrong..I have no skill and still can't ho worth a shot                                                         

[RotBaron]

HO= no skill, point plane and fire away....THAT is what causes the greatest amount (and rightly so, IMO) of angst. WHY don't so many folks want to get better at this game? Get an Lgay, point Lgay at red thingie, fire at 1k (regardless what red thingie does), until ammo done....get another Lgay. I see people in here who are just MIND-numbingly good at this game...I fail to understand why so many OTHERS don't even wish to try and get there....or at least in that area code

I can't understand it either, it's been my intention most of the time to try and better my form, learn from engagements and mistakes and overall not be a ho'in doouche.  Here is what is kind of counter-intuitive to me, often times when a HO situation presents itself right in front of me and all of a sudden, it doesn't even cross my mind to pull the trigger there until after the opportunity is gone. This never happens to me on a snapshot, quite the opposite, prolly shoot excessively there. So, what I'm wondering is if there is an actual normal aversion toward wanting to fly straight at something that will shoot at you (yes I know it's a game, but instincts really do apply too,) where if there is, then ppl are actually overriding what their conscious thought tells them to do. Now that would be interesting...

[titanic3]

I turn to avoid the ho and get shot in belly or cockpit so when I get hoed I ho back I still miss cause I'm no good at hoing.I realize hoing is frowned upon and I never start the ho or try to let them get in position to ho me in the first place.however isn't it a realistic form of ACM? Wasn't it used in WWII?      PS.those that say hoing takes no skill are wrong..I have no skill and still can't ho worth a shot                                                         

Realistic? Sure? Fun? Not really. It's a video game, people striving for realism forget that it seems. There's the DCS series and Il-2 CoD if you want to spend 10 minutes on the ground prepping the engine and using real life tactics in perma death scenarios. In AH, you can re up, so why not take the challenge and fight the other guy without HOing him? Is it funner to have a 5 minute dogfight where you lose, or a 10 second merge where you just press the trigger? I would pick the former all day everyday.

I can't understand it either, it's been my intention most of the time to try and better my form, learn from engagements and mistakes and overall not be a ho'in doouche.  Here is what is kind of counter-intuitive to me, often times when a HO situation presents itself right in front of me and all of a sudden, it doesn't even cross my mind to pull the trigger there until after the opportunity is gone. This never happens to me on a snapshot, quite the opposite, prolly shoot excessively there. So, what I'm wondering is if there is an actual normal aversion toward wanting to fly straight at something that will shoot at you (yes I know it's a game, but instincts really do apply too,) where if there is, then ppl are actually overriding what their conscious thought tells them to do. Now that would be interesting...

My input to this is that when a HO situation represents itself to me, I will hold my fire but be extremely cautious. I'm already thinking in a split second on my avoidance maneuver if need be, and within another split second determine whether or not I can HO him back and survive IF the other guy decides to fire.

[scott66]

I prefer a dog fight to a ho as well but it doesn't always work out that way cause it's rarely a1v1 I'm the MA

[Arlo]

My input to this is that when a HO situation represents itself to me, I will hold my fire but be extremely cautious. I'm already thinking in a split second on my avoidance maneuver if need be, and within another split second determine whether or not I can HO him back and survive IF the other guy decides to fire.

Actually, sounds like fun. Always has (to me). 

[BaldEagl]

Here's my take on HO's:

Always expect the HO in the MA.  It could be the only chance a newer player (new players seem to be the most likely to HO) will have to get a kill or it might be someone who wants to quickly remove a threat in a multi-con engagement.  It might also be someone in a "big cannon" bird that's simply leaning on their gunset.  I'm sure there's a thousand other reasons to HO.  I don't condone it but I do expect it and will occasionally HO myself (I can't believe people will go nose to nose with a 190-A8 carrying 2x20mm's, 2x30mm's.).

The HO is easy to avoid as long as you have E.  There are several manouvers to avoid the HO while setting yourself up to turn the tables on your attacker.  In the MA I'm able to avoid 90+% of HO attempts.  On the other hand the HO is nearly impossible to avoid if you don't have E.

What constitutes a HO IMO is the "intent" of one or both combatants.  If you're coming at each other and one trys to avoid the HO while the other takes the front quarter shot it's still a HO.  The player fully intended to HO, did nothing to break it off and ended with a front quarter shot out of circumstance, not design.  Of course in the MA legitimate non-HO frontal shots are often misconstrued as HOs.

In terms of chivalry the game isn't any different than it was in early AW despite the rose colored glasses many wear.  The HO is, always was and always will be a part of the game.  You either subscribe to it's effectiveness or not.  Even if you don't it's likely still one of the many tools in your bag that has it's time and place.

My 2 cents.

BTW, I'd take a shot at DA HO avoidance.

[nrshida]

I'm losing brain cells. Nrshida, save me.

   He's like the Duracell Bunny ain't he?

See? I've been keeping up with you all the time.  

Well in a fashion  

Yeah there's hasn't been much constructive discussion going on. Correct me if I'm wrong but you do seem a little 'set off' shall we say by players discussing other players activities. Sort of an anti-police police motif as best I can see.

Your standpoint seems to be that the HO is absolutely no problem, which you then attempted to demonstrate by getting repeatedly shredded like a niblick in the DA  

I should have thought a more constructive discussion, especially for you Arlo  , would have been a technical one about how to avoid and then exploit the HO. Something which Titan and a few other skillful players have clearly mastered. One of these, a fairly quiet and mature young man, did take the time to sketch out the essentials on the second or third page I believe which watching your merge on YouTube I recommend you read, reread and then practice.

Unfortunately this 'discussion' took the standard 'I'm right', 'no I'm right' format. At this point taking the p!55 and mucking around is usually the most fun thing to do. Sorry about that but as I say I'm very bored right now, just had surgery and can't do much of anything including flying  

Sigh, what to do with myself now? Could try and fix the film viewer. Again...

[LCADolby]

  He's like the Duracell Bunny ain't he?

Go be 'you' somewhere else Arlo

so this is where he went. 

[Arlo]

Correct me if I'm wrong but you do seem a little 'set off' shall we say by players discussing other players activities. Sort of an anti-police police motif as best I can see.

Your standpoint seems to be that the HO is absolutely no problem, which you then attempted to demonstrate by getting repeatedly shredded like a niblick in the DA  

I should have thought a more constructive discussion, especially for you Arlo  , would have been a technical one about how to avoid and then exploit the HO. Something which Titan and a few other skillful players have clearly mastered. One of these, a fairly quiet and mature young man, did take the time to sketch out the essentials on the second or third page I believe which watching your merge on YouTube I recommend you read, reread and then practice.

Irony. 

Side-slip at the right time (and yes, energy state matters) with the other player not expecting avoidance. Why Titan claims to know this but doesn't go into the details is a mystery to me, as well. 

[Arlo]

so this is where he went. 

I'm always gonna be somewhere. Possibly somewhere you don't like. Tis such a mystery. 

[olds442]

My take on HOs is the same on deacking and CV killing. I don't like flying into bullets. 

[RotBaron]

I wonder what goes through a HOr's mind when they fail at it repeatedly by someone skilled enough to avoid it a the last second. I wonder if they think hmmm maybe I should be trying something else.

When they don't get HO'd by someone who easily could have, I wonder if they ever think to themselves, "hmmm I didn't know everybody doesn't HO," or "I wonder why he didn't HO me."  Or anything to that sentiment.

[Arlo]

I wouldn't let it keep me awake at night. 

[RotBaron]

I wouldn't let it keep me awake at night.  

That's why I'm tired all the time, :l