Bring on the Hos

[deadstikmac]

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Luv it sir!

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DA?

Second Edit:

Say yes!

[deadstikmac]

I'm so confused

Just say YES to the DA sir!  

[scott66]

Just say YES to the DA sir!  

YES...Lol 

[titanic3]

Had some tests with Wiley and some regular duels too in P47D11s. Lots of fun  . Like dedalos said, HOing gives you an (small) advantage even if you don't damage the other guy, you still force him to turn early. At 1K, it was more or less 50/50 on getting hit with the moves Wiley was using to avoid the HO. Be glad that most people in the MA can't exploit the advantage they get from HOing and that most of them are poor shots. 

Either way, it was fun test this out and we had fun dueling each other afterwards.  So, the best manuever to avoiding a HO seems to be a diving left or right turn for those who haven't found it out yet, and in an MA environment, a simple extend will negate the advantage the other guy gained from HOing. I on the other hand will stick to duking it out with the HOer.    Hopes this helps settle the debate.

[Wiley]

It was definitely much fun.  So much fun we forgot to record most of it.    

From my end, to get out of his way starting at 1k, it took a pretty violent break.  However, from further back it got a lot easier.  He was having trouble hitting me on the way in when I'd do my normal merge that I use when someone's trying to shoot me on the way in, although it was giving him an edge to exploit.  Honestly I'm not that great of a duelist so I'm not entirely sure if I could tweak what I do to even that turn up.  I have trouble with guys that pull hard on the merge at the best of times, I either bleed too much E getting around quick or I keep too much and give them my six more often than not.

In any case, if I had to draw any conclusions from it, I'd say the HO is very avoidable, I don't really have the analytical capability to judge how much of an advantage it gives the HOer.  I'm definitely not going to change the general idea of what I do on a merge as it seemed to work pretty well against Titan, and his gunnery impressed me when we were dueling.

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I've got film of one of the successful avoidances if anyone's interested.

Wiley.

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if you see the guy coming the HO is easy to avoid.....at 1K ....it "may" be a bit more difficult.

[Wiley]

if you see the guy coming the HO is easy to avoid.....at 1K ....it "may" be a bit more difficult.

I had to maneuver pretty violently, but I was able to do it.  E state makes a huge difference too.  Near stall, you're probably hooped.  Like I've said before, if you're TnBing and someone's bouncing you, it's more the fault of the multi on one than the HO.  IMO he's actually giving you a gift if he's bouncing you and you can get guns on.

Wiley.

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I had to maneuver pretty violently, but I was able to do it.  E state makes a huge difference too.  Near stall, you're probably hooped.  Like I've said before, if you're TnBing and someone's bouncing you, it's more the fault of the multi on one than the HO.  IMO he's actually giving you a gift if he's bouncing you and you can get guns on.

Wiley.

ya I can see needing more umph when trying to avoid from 1k.....but in MA if someone gets within 1K before you see them...... your SA failed....

[Arlo]

.....but in MA if someone gets within 1K before you see them...... your SA failed....

And it's probably not a HO attack unless .... for some reason .... eyes were closed tight, someone fell out of a chair, etc.  

[BaldEagl]

I don't really have the analytical capability to judge how much of an advantage it gives the HOer. 

If done correctly it takes the HOer's advantage away.  The HOer HAS to remain guns on to take his shot, therefore allowing you to predict his route and E state while managing your own.  It's realtively easy to immediately end up directly on a HOer's six in the MA after the first pass even if he's trying to fly straight through.

[Zacherof]

My reasons for HOing(I seem to be doing it alot more)

1. Remove a threat as fast as possible in a massive fight when odds are against me
2. I feel lazy and the A8 has alot of 20mm rounds
3. Because I'm about to die(engine about to keel or PW)
4. Cause sometimes I just don't give a damn how it ends
5. A kill is a kill. If he's dead and I'm fine, screw what they think they know.

I don't know how many times i've killed someone HOing, then they call me out. I to the DA.
When we get there I just scissors them into the ground cause alot of them don't know how to, or just plain suck.


Ink is the bane to my existance tho

[FLOOB]

Did we all agree on what a HO is yet?

Ive always been ok with the real life definition. Which is why I've never been an adherent to the "it takes two to HO" philosophy.

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My reasons for HOing(I seem to be doing it alot more)

1. Remove a threat as fast as possible in a massive fight when odds are against me
2. I feel lazy and the A8 has alot of 20mm rounds
3. Because I'm about to die(engine about to keel or PW)
4. Cause sometimes I just don't give a damn how it ends
5. A kill is a kill. If he's dead and I'm fine, screw what they think they know.

I don't know how many times i've killed someone HOing, then they call me out. I to the DA.
When we get there I just scissors them into the ground cause alot of them don't know how to, or just plain suck.


Ink is the bane to my existance tho

 


 

[dedalos]

If done correctly it takes the HOer's advantage away.  The HOer HAS to remain guns on to take his shot, therefore allowing you to predict his route and E state while managing your own.  It's realtively easy to immediately end up directly on a HOer's six in the MA after the first pass even if he's trying to fly straight through.

do you mind showing bighorn how to do it right?  He was only atbthe peak of his game when we tried it lol. Also, please explain how someone holding the trigger down gives you an idea of his estate or where he is going?  I would think that you avoiding shows him where you are going no?

We spent a good hour hoing each other in the da and had removed the skill factor since I was fighting someone better than me.

As for the SA argument, its carp. When I go out looking for a fight my tells me to fly towards the nearest plane. When I am bz with 2 or more guys and a 190 comes in guns blazing I did not fail to see him. I just have no choice due to speed and position. The only fail was the hope that a 4th guy would maybe go find someone else.

But hey, we can all have good SA. Just start at 20K with a friend and make single passes on lower cons. Extend a sector rince and repeat. It would make for a fun game and great scores.

How can anyone claiming to look for a fight endorse sa and ho shots is beyond me lol

[Changeup]

do you mind showing bighorn how to do it right?  He was only atbthe peak of his game when we tried it lol. Also, please explain how someone holding the trigger down gives you an idea of his estate or where he is going?  I would think that you avoiding shows him where you are going no?

We spent a good hour hoing each other in the da and had removed the skill factor since I was fighting someone better than me.

As for the SA argument, its carp. When I go out looking for a fight my tells me to fly towards the nearest plane. When I am bz with 2 or more guys and a 190 comes in guns blazing I did not fail to see him. I just have no choice due to speed and position. The only fail was the hope that a 4th guy would maybe go find someone else.

But hey, we can all have good SA. Just start at 20K with a friend and make single passes on lower cons. Extend a sector rince and repeat. It would make for a fun game and great scores.

How can anyone claiming to look for a fight endorse sa and ho shots is beyond me lol

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