Unperk the F4U-1C

[Karnak]

Define "very high".

[nrshida]

You used to see an awful lot of chogs at the furball lake in the DA. About 30% chogs, 40% Spixteens and then a descending mixture of other things. Seemed to fall out of favour about a year ago though. Mysterious.

[Bino]

A total of 74 LA-7 with 3*20mm where made, seems OK to perk that too.

^ Agree.  

Perk all the low-production überplanes.  Fine by me.  

[-ammo-]

I hate it when a historically insignificant model or variant becomes the dominant representative of a plane in AH. F4U-C were a tiny minority of the hogs in R/L. If they were free, very few -1, -1A, -D will be seen. A free -C justifies getting 2*20mm+4*0.5s on the F6F.

All the rare variants should be perked in the game:
F4U-C
P47-M
P-47-N
Ta-152
La7 with 3 guns (no different than the -C case and NOBODY flys the normal 2 shvak 20mm version that were 98% of the planes)

It could be a symbolic perk cost of "1" in cases like the Ta152 that few fly anyway and a higher one for the -C when population control is required.

Please explain further you perk thoughts.  While I can agree with the direction you are going, obviously HTC does NOT.  HTC looks at the impact of the modeled AC in the MA (notice I didn't sat arena(s)).  It wasn't the relative insignificance of the C-Hog in real world stats that got it perked. It was it's impact in the GAME.  Of course, as I have stated prior, that has changed.  

The MA is all about fast aircraft.  The C=hog doesn't come close to measuring up to that standard.  It's 4 hispanoes are frickin awesome (I love them on occasion), but that aspect does NOT Give you a bye in  the MA.

So, why should the TA152 or P-47M be perked?

[Triton28]

I know I'm the minority, but I'd like to see a small perk price (1-5) added to any plane that has a very high usage in the Main Arena. This way some variety would be seen in the Main Arena.

I know it will never happen, but I can dream.

+1

It does have the possible side effect of making people more timid, but it would be interesting to see if so and how much.  

[Karnak]

+1

It does have the possible side effect of making people more timid, but it would be interesting to see if so and how much.  

It also has the effect of lowering new player retention if all of the easier fighters to succeed in are perked and they can't use them enough to learn them or without being ganged for being in a perk plane.

[Triton28]

 The MA is all about fast aircraft.  The C=hog doesn't come close to measuring up to that standard.  It's 4 hispanoes are frickin awesome (I love them on occasion), but that aspect does NOT Give you a bye in  the MA.

The C-hog is the slowest of the hogs, but the hogs as a group ain't really that slow.  It's fast enough that with a bit of SA (and not just flinging it mindlessly into a furball) you can kill LOTS of bad guys very quickly. 

The last few times I've upped a C-hog I've landed 5+ kills without breaking a sweat.  It's not because I'm awesome, it's because that gun package added to a pretty damn good plane makes killing easy.

[Triton28]

It also has the effect of lowering new player retention if all of the easier fighters to succeed in are perked and they can't use them enough to learn them or without being ganged for being in a perk plane.

Very true.  I've always figured this is why HTC doesn't implement something like what Del suggested.  Double edged sword for sure.

[Saxman]

The MA is all about fast aircraft.  The C=hog doesn't come close to measuring up to that standard.

 

The F4U-1C outruns a SUBSTANTIAL chunk of the plane set, despite being the "slowest" Hog (and that's arguable, since it's speed is nearly identical to the 1D).

[LilMak]

I hate it when a historically insignificant model or variant becomes the dominant representative of a plane in AH. F4U-C were a tiny minority of the hogs in R/L. If they were free, very few -1, -1A, -D will be seen. A free -C justifies getting 2*20mm+4*0.5s on the F6F.

All the rare variants should be perked in the game:
F4U-C
P47-M
P-47-N
Ta-152
La7 with 3 guns (no different than the -C case and NOBODY flys the normal 2 shvak 20mm version that were 98% of the planes)

It could be a symbolic perk cost of "1" in cases like the Ta152 that few fly anyway and a higher one for the -C when population control is required.

Think the production run on the P-47N was somewhere around 1500-2000. Not what I would call "rare."

 Think the C-hog perk is easily justified given its capabilities. It's fast, it turns excelent, it has good range, it hauls almost 3k worth of ord, and packs a tremendous punch in the gun package with TONS of ammo to back it up. If the C-hog was unleashed I the MA, it wouldn't be free for a week before the BBS would crash from screams for the perk to be reinstated.

[-ammo-]

I disagree with my honorable squadmate.

While it's (C-Hog) attributes make it competitive for the MA, it does not deserve perk status if the Spit 14 does not.

[Karnak]

While it's (C-Hog) attributes make it competitive for the MA, it does not deserve perk status if the Spit 14 does not.

The practical results could hardly disagree with you more.  You may claim whatever you like, but factually the Spit XIV has not dominated the MA and had a very poor showing as a perk plane whereas the F4U-1C did dominate the MA and has been extremely successful as a perk plane.

[-ammo-]

The practical results could hardly disagree with you more.  You may claim whatever you like, but factually the Spit XIV has not dominated the MA and had a very poor showing as a perk plane whereas the F4U-1C did dominate the MA and has been extremely successful as a perk plane.

Karnak - 10 years have gone by.  The MA has evolved.

[titanic3]

Karnak - 10 years have gone by.  The MA has evolved.

I wasn't there 10 years ago, but I guarantee that if the C becomes unperked, it's all I'm going to fly off a CV.

[Karnak]

Karnak - 10 years have gone by.  The MA has evolved.

I highly doubt it has changed in a way that will massively affect the impact of an unperked F4U-1C.

Oh, I agree it won't hit 20+% of the kills, but it will blow anything now, including the P-51D, out of the water as it claims first place.

It is just too good and the guns, which you are undervaluing, are a major part of that.  It kills fast because of how potent its guns are and the ammo supply is rivaled only by the much slower N1K2-J and much less agile Fw190A-8.  The much larger and less agile Mosquito Mk VI carries significantly less ammo.  All three of those also carry significantly less ordnance.


Once again, I ask you to look at the relative performance of the Spitfire Mk XIV, that you are using as a comparison, and the F4U-1C as perk planes.  Seeing as you claim neither would be more dominating than the other how do you explain the vast gulf between their respective stats as perk planes?