Tank Commander Pilot Wounded

[dirtdart]

I would like to see the tank commander able to be pilot wounded (like the old days).

If for example you are shooting from the commanders view and you are hit, you should be spalled just like a real person. That commander's view gives you an unfair advantage because you have a gunsight that is above the tanks real gunsight. It is the equivalent of flying with no cockpit IMHO. To encourage guys to get behind the gun, there should be a price (risk) with fighting out of the hatch.

If you are getting strafed and you are on the pintle gun, again, risk. I believe in the current model you have to hit the gun itself and damage it to take out that position. If I am flying any airplane and I take a hit in the cockpit, within a certain area, I get wounded, GV should be no different.

[Lusche]

I would like to see the tank commander able to be pilot wounded (like the old days).

When was that?

[WWhiskey]

Since there is no "buttoned down" position,  that would be rather unfair!

[pembquist]

Why not wish to do away with firing from commander position like the m3 75? Mind you not saying that should happen,(I'd say it is what makes the cheap tanks competitive.)

[SmokinLoon]

Why not wish to do away with firing from commander position like the m3 75? Mind you not saying that should happen,(I'd say it is what makes the cheap tanks competitive.)

because firing from the TC's position is like firing from the hip. 

[Schen]

Having served on tanks for nearly 5 years, I can honestly say that the tank commander has the ability to fire from his position as well as move the turret from the open hatch, your gun is not nearly as accurate from this view, as well the commander had a better battlefield view hatches up and I am pleased with how that is portrayed. now I am sure some of you will argue ww2 tanks could not be controlled form the commanders position, in most tanks probably not, but the tank commander did play a vital role in walking the gunner onto target, ie gunner traverse right, 2 o clock 1.5kms tiger in open, gunner gets onto position and then fires, as we can not have more then one person in the tank I believe imo this is portrayed rather accurately.


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[Saxman]

Schen,

I don't think it's being ABLE to fire from the commander's position that's the problem, but the fact that there's no risk of operating from the exposed station.

[Karnak]

Randomize exactly where in or near the gun circle the gun is pointing rather than always having it be dead center.  That would make firing from the commander's position less reliable.

[SmokinLoon]

Having served on tanks for nearly 5 years, I can honestly say that the tank commander has the ability to fire from his position as well as move the turret from the open hatch, your gun is not nearly as accurate from this view, as well the commander had a better battlefield view hatches up and I am pleased with how that is portrayed. now I am sure some of you will argue ww2 tanks could not be controlled form the commanders position, in most tanks probably not, but the tank commander did play a vital role in walking the gunner onto target, ie gunner traverse right, 2 o clock 1.5kms tiger in open, gunner gets onto position and then fires, as we can not have more then one person in the tank I believe imo this is portrayed rather accurately.
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There is a reason, as you know having served in a tank, that commands are given, and repeated, between crew members.  The tank commander has control over the entire tank via verbal command, the only thing physical he controls is the top MG.  The TC does not fire the gun, the gunner does.  The TC does not drive, the driver does.  The TC does not load the gun, the loader does.  Etc, etc.  However, unless given the "at will "or "as needed" command, each member of the tank is locked in to receiving his orders and then acting on those orders from the TC.

I think HTC has it about right under the current standards.  I think if they wanted to add in a bit of "realism", or fog of war, they'd have the TC come up through the hatch in any one of 5 compass positions in relation to the turret.  0°, 22°/-°22, and °45/-°45.  They could also add in a delay in switching between positions representing the delay in TC movement, voice commands, etc.  As it is, the "insta-action" is a bit off the mark and the situational awareness is rather giving while in a tank.   

[gyrene81]

There is a reason, as you know having served in a tank, that commands are given, and repeated, between crew members.  The tank commander has control over the entire tank via verbal command, the only thing physical he controls is the top MG.  The TC does not fire the gun, the gunner does.  The TC does not drive, the driver does.  The TC does not load the gun, the loader does.  Etc, etc.  However, unless given the "at will "or "as needed" command, each member of the tank is locked in to receiving his orders and then acting on those orders from the TC.

in the m60, the tc can fire the main gun from his position...if needed. i haven't been in an abrams but, i'd be willing to bet the tc has override controls for the main gun.

[Schen]

I agree the commander should take damage but i can't speak for all tanks but the leopard 2 the abrams (same German gun) and the callenger 2 the tc can take over and fire the gun independent of the gunner he also has the ability to move the turret if he sees the need. A little off topic but i was just saying the ability to take control away from the tafk commander i don't agree with but to have him pw or killed only leaving the driver position or gunners i agree. I think it would be a neat feature if the driver pos had a hatches up position. Better for but more risk ie pw or killed leaving tank haulted.

[waystin2]

An egg, an IL-2, a Hurricane IID, another tank, a field gun, a B-25H and this wish becomes irrelevant.  Kill em, don't wound em.

[dirtdart]

Having served on tanks for nearly 5 years, I can honestly say that the tank commander has the ability to fire from his position as well as move the turret from the open hatch, your gun is not nearly as accurate from this view, as well the commander had a better battlefield view hatches up and I am pleased with how that is portrayed. now I am sure some of you will argue ww2 tanks could not be controlled form the commanders position, in most tanks probably not, but the tank commander did play a vital role in walking the gunner onto target, ie gunner traverse right, 2 o clock 1.5kms tiger in open, gunner gets onto position and then fires, as we can not have more then one person in the tank I believe imo this is portrayed rather accurately.


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Schen, if you served on tanks, then you also know you do no engagements from the open hatch, TC and Gunner are buttoned down. Also, you do have a button down position, it is called the Gunners view.

[gyrene81]

Schen, if you served on tanks, then you also know you do no engagements from the open hatch, TC and Gunner are buttoned down. Also, you do have a button down position, it is called the Gunners view.

you don't need the hatches closed to fire a tank...and a tc can be standing in the hatch with binoculars and giving the order to fire...in a battle it is recommended to batten down the hatches but it's not necessary.

if the tc has fire control at his station, nothing stops him from standing up in the commanders hatch and hitting the fire button...

[Schen]

Not sure how the states operates but the only time the commanders hatch buttoned up or he was not eyes up was when the airforce dropped close air support. The vantage point hatches up is way more informative as to sa on the battlefield. Not to say he would not drop Down undercertain circumstances.