$1.08/Hour and Rising

[Franz Von Werra]

Now I remember why I flushed our 110, waaay back when first got in AH... the rear guns.
The 110s (and 210, 410) were supposed to fill two roles - long range bomber escort and/or long range bomber hunter.
We have a tubby fatso overweight ground attack 110g, and undermodeled amo 110c.

Info:
Lancaster guns seem able to point down further than they should - they fire straight down!
Seems, it gets extra firing arch than it had - unlike our 111, with actual or less than actual arch. Due to our interface, seems 111 is unable defend itself from enemy fighters. Blah blah, no bomber survives enemy fighters, especcially if the opponent fighters are being guided by ground or air radar.

a 110 tactic:
Our 110's rear guns don't point up enough to shoot down a bomber, especially a lanc, from under a lanc.
I noticed this the first time I flew the 110 in ah2, "biased!"
Some 110s, and or night-fighter 110s, had a specific method to go under lancs to do this 'from under' attack.
Since our 110's rear gun can't shoot up (not even close), and under-modeled amo is why I reject it.
So at best, we have the 'ground attack' version in a mostly AIR battles game.
I don't do ground attack, so keep our 110 in the hangar, I don't fly it, check.

More about our 410, it supposively the dialed in 110, new and improved, finally remodeled 110 without the problems of the 210. So, 'long range escort fighter' for friendly bombers, and 'long range interceptor' for enemy bombers, with the bonus of being over FRIENDLY TERRITORY, with FRIENDLY RADAR ON ITS SIDE.
By the time it came out though, sky was filled with hordes of p51s.
Again, luft was outnumbered, not out engineered, not out classed.

But in here the 410 has too many 'quirks' to even leave of the hangar.
SEEMS WE GOT A 210, NOT A 410!!!
******************
***before the 410 was added to the game, these 'allied' forums were all worried about "it might be 'too fast" - I guess we got a slow one that breaks apart if it even gets near fast., and noses down, with goofy gun views - view position restricts gun movement, and did it really do tail under back flips when it pulls 3g's?.***
***Imagine properly modelled 177's being escorted by properly modelled 410s doing HQ runs. (with fuel burn 1x)***
*******************

[EskimoJoe]

huh?

[titanic3]

Now I remember why I flushed our 110, waaay back when first got in AH... the rear guns.
The 110s (and 210, 410) were supposed to fill two roles - long range bomber escort and/or long range bomber hunter.
We have a tubby fatso overweight ground attack 110g, and undermodeled amo 110c.

Info:
Lancaster guns seem able to point down further than they should - they fire straight down!
Seems, it gets extra firing arch than it had - unlike our 111, with actual or less than actual arch. Due to our interface, seems 111 is unable defend itself from enemy fighters. Blah blah, no bomber survives enemy fighters, especcially if the opponent fighters are being guided by ground or air radar.

a 110 tactic:
Our 110's rear guns don't point up enough to shoot down a bomber, especially a lanc, from under a lanc.
I noticed this the first time I flew the 110 in ah2, "biased!"
Some 110s, and or night-fighter 110s, had a specific method to go under lancs to do this 'from under' attack.
Since our 110's rear gun can't shoot up (not even close), and under-modeled amo is why I reject it.
So at best, we have the 'ground attack' version in a mostly AIR battles game.
I don't do ground attack, so keep our 110 in the hangar, I don't fly it, check.

More about our 410, it supposively the dialed in 110, new and improved, finally remodeled 110 without the problems of the 210. So, 'long range escort fighter' for friendly bombers, and 'long range interceptor' for enemy bombers, with the bonus of being over FRIENDLY TERRITORY, with FRIENDLY RADAR ON ITS SIDE.
By the time it came out though, sky was filled with hordes of p51s.
Again, luft was outnumbered, not out engineered, not out classed.

But in here the 410 has too many 'quirks' to even leave of the hangar.
SEEMS WE GOT A 210, NOT A 410!!!
******************
***before the 410 was added to the game, these forums were all worried about because "it might be 'too fast" - I guess we got a slow one that breaks apart if it even gets near fast., and noses down, with goofy gun views - view position restricts gun movement, and did it really do tail under back flips when it pulls 3g's?.***
***Imagine properly modelled 177's being escorted by properly modelled 410s doing HQ runs. (with fuel burn 1x)***
*******************

K, I'll bite. What's wrong with you?

[Franz Von Werra]

Wrong, its not what's wrong with me...

its about where the game is, and where it isn't.
we have a screwed 210, not a 410.
we have a screwed 111, not a 177.

[EskimoJoe]

Wrong, its not what's wrong with me...

its about where the game is, and where it isn't.

I would love to see your first hand documentation on the 'matters' you brought up.

In another thread of course, you are entirely irrelevant in this one.

[Zacherof]

Wrong, its not what's wrong with me...

its about where the game is, and where it isn't.
we have a screwed 110, not a 410.
we have a screwed 111, not a 177.

Fixed
And btw 110 is not as bad as you think.

[The Fugitive]

K, I'll bite. What's wrong with you?

He's infamous! Even made it into a cartoon 

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,337065.0.html

[uptown]

Schlowy puzzles me. I don't know if he's an expert on German WW2 aircraft or a complete lunatic. 

[Arlo]

Schlowy puzzles me. I don't know if he's an expert on German WW2 aircraft or a complete lunatic. 

Well, guess it's possible to be both.

[Lusche]

Schlowy puzzles me. I don't know if he's an expert on German WW2 aircraft or a complete lunatic. 

Absolutely not an expert for sure. Neither on the RL planes nor on the ones in game.

[Karnak]

Now I remember why I flushed our 110, waaay back when first got in AH... the rear guns.
The 110s (and 210, 410) were supposed to fill two roles - long range bomber escort and/or long range bomber hunter.
We have a tubby fatso overweight ground attack 110g, and undermodeled amo 110c.

Info:
Lancaster guns seem able to point down further than they should - they fire straight down!

They do not fire straight down, but they do depress quite a lot, as they should based on the actual Lancaster.

Seems, it gets extra firing arch than it had - unlike our 111, with actual or less than actual arch. Due to our interface, seems 111 is unable defend itself from enemy fighters. Blah blah, no bomber survives enemy fighters, especcially if the opponent fighters are being guided by ground or air radar.

Do you have something that says the fields of fire for the He111 are incorrect?

a 110 tactic:
Our 110's rear guns don't point up enough to shoot down a bomber, especially a lanc, from under a lanc.
I noticed this the first time I flew the 110 in ah2, "biased!"
Some 110s, and or night-fighter 110s, had a specific method to go under lancs to do this 'from under' attack.

You need to do more research.  The tail guns are not the guns you are thinking of.  The guns you are thinking of, "schrage muzik", were fixed and mounted pointing up and forward at, IIRC, a 45 degree angle and were cannons.  They were not found on Bf110G-2s, but rather on Bf110G-4s.  Some Japanese planes also mounted such installations.  The Bf110G-4 would also have the draggy radar aerials on the nose which would reduce its performance.  HTC added the daylight Bf110G-2 because AH is a daylight game.

Since our 110's rear gun can't shoot up (not even close), and under-modeled amo is why I reject it.

Which makes you look stupid and biased because you don't even know what you are talking about.

So at best, we have the 'ground attack' version in a mostly AIR battles game.

Nope, just the daylight version.

I don't do ground attack, so keep our 110 in the hangar, I don't fly it, check.

There is no super fighter version that you seem to think there is.

More about our 410, it supposively the dialed in 110, new and improved, finally remodeled 110 without the problems of the 210. So, 'long range escort fighter' for friendly bombers, and 'long range interceptor' for enemy bombers, with the bonus of being over FRIENDLY TERRITORY, with FRIENDLY RADAR ON ITS SIDE.
By the time it came out though, sky was filled with hordes of p51s.
Again, luft was outnumbered, not out engineered, not out classed.

But in here the 410 has too many 'quirks' to even leave of the hangar.
SEEMS WE GOT A 210, NOT A 410!!!
******************
***before the 410 was added to the game, these 'allied' forums were all worried about "it might be 'too fast" - I guess we got a slow one that breaks apart if it even gets near fast., and noses down, with goofy gun views - view position restricts gun movement, and did it really do tail under back flips when it pulls 3g's?.***
***Imagine properly modelled 177's being escorted by properly modelled 410s doing HQ runs. (with fuel burn 1x)***
*******************

The Me410 was a high wing loading attempt at a multi-role aircraft. I don't know of any instance in which it was used as an escort, or even that it was ever intended as an escort.  It was a destroyer, and it worked well as one as long as enemy fighters were not present.  It did not do well when confronted by P-47s, P-51s or Spitfires.

[Franz Von Werra]

I finally figured out how to post a picture!





evidencios!  


Unfortunately, the confidence of bomber crews that they could spot enemy fighters at night proved to be vastly over-inflated. British night-fighter crews operating as intruders with the bomber stream found that they could approach bombers almost with impunity, and fly alongside or beneath them at very close range without being detected. They reported this to their superiors, but it was decided not to inform bomber crews of the facts for fear that it might damage their morale. Air gunners who did not detect an approaching fighter often paid with their lives, as their turrets were often the first targets for the enemy. This picture of a Stirling rear turret grimly illustrates the point.

Has anyone ever killed a lancasters tailgunner? :/
Pretty good site:
http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/07/weekend-wings-25-air-gunners.html

[Tank-Ace]

Your source is a blog? And one from a guy called "bayou renaissance man'?

God, you're dumb.

[Franz Von Werra]

Never mind the picture's SOURCE, it is the PICTURE itself that counts.
Google.com, click images, ooohh kaaay?
I DONT THINK THEY POINT DOWN AS FAR AS THEY DO IN GAME!
 
you the dumb dumb poopyhead! 
Thx to the person out there where I got 'dumb dumb poopyhead' expression from! hehe

[Zacherof]

Schlowy, bro you need diagrams showing arcs of fire
Btw your awesome