What are we gonna do to make this work?

[K West]

What Oboe said.  And to add to what he said I like the CT with it's settings as it allows for more WWII era type tactics as well WWII era type aircombat.  It's not perfect by any means, but it's many steps closer to WWII era aircombat and stategy than the MA is.

  Westy

[Horn]

Originally posted by ET
We would have been using the Stalingrad map right now except for a bug or something.I never got a chance to see it even though  I downloaded it.

I wanted to see it too so I loaded it up off-line--it's pretty cool--brrrr...

dh

[Seeker]

How about........




World war two online?



Think it'd catch on?

[hblair]

Thanks for the input fellas.

As far as the skill level being higher in the CT, I don't agree with that at all. Some nights there might be old vets in the CT, others there may be mostly green pilots. Also, I don't see a devisive split happening in the player base either. You can't let the opinions of a handful of CT pilots convince you that there is some 'split' in the player base. There simply isn't.

Now, I think there IS a closer feeling of community in the CT, that is simply because their are far fewer pilots in the arena, about 8-10% of the MA population most nights. I don't think this is because of skill or quality, just the fact that there are fewer pilots, and people tend to behave more when they aren't in a crowd of several hundred people.

So, in closing, sling, gimme a big smooch right there -->

[sling322]

No thanks HB...save that homo stuff for your squadmates.

I didnt say that you or any of your staff were portraying CT flyers as 'elite' and 'better than MA flyers'....just some of the players are.  I guess its inevitable that this attitude would surface....just wish it wouldnt have.  

[stevedk]

I am fairly new to AH coming from about 6 or 7 years in WB's.  I personally prefer the CT just because of the historic matchups of aircraft.  I enjoy flying either side and the many types of planes available.  I have found to this point, the people very helpful and very friendly in the arena.  I look forward to meeting you all, and look forward to the different future matchups.  Keep up the good work.

Seahwk  

[Beegerite]

Wheeew, I'm confused.  I think we need a poll

I mostly see people talking about historical maps and plane sets which is absolutely fine with me but I belong to another group over and above that.  

I want an arena that provides more challenges e.g.
No icons whatsoever (calls for development of an Axis transport and maybe another bomber)

Remember when the hog first came out and it was so unwieldly that it was almost impossible to take off without going off the runway?  This was because they evidently were attempting to model the humongous torque which gave the Corsair the dubious title of Ensign Eliminator.  Much whinning got it toned down.

Why can't the airplanes in this advanced arena (that's a good name which appeals to the ego of most dweebos) be torqued up a bit so that it more accurately replicates the real world of the WW2 aviator?  FW190s should be stall/spin prone and 109s should be tricky to land and take off and older Spits should cough, sputter and shut down in a negative G dive.  I'm not advocating that it should be necessary to have extensive instruction in 3 different progressively more complex airplanes but that some effort should be made to make the flight model more challenging than that of the MA.   Maybe you won't get the numbers but you'll surely draw the dedicated.

Beeg

[J_A_B]

Sling~


Just so you don't get my point mixed up, I DO NOT fly in the CT on any sort of regular basis.  I think I've had like 3 flights in there since it opened.   I think the current CT setup is stupid and shortsighted and the people running it are more interested in themselves than in what's best for AH right now.  IMO the CT team is more interested in creating its own little world than in making something that the average AH player will enjoy, and that's a dang shame considering that ALL of us are paying for their little playground.  I don't like it much and it sure as heck isn't what I'd do if I had any say.

However, that's not to say I can't see certain positive aspects of the current setup.  Like it or not, the settings ARE more difficult than the MA and they probably DO appeal to players who would otherwise become bored with AH.  The average skill level in the CT IS a bit higher because new players don't fly there.  That doesn't mean the CT is "better" than the MA; that's just the way it is.

Since this is the CT forum I try to post here on a more positive note.  I usually bring up my concerns in private.   The fact is, not many people care about MY opinion so publicly ranting about the CT isn't going to accomplish anything.  

J_A_B

[hblair]

Originally posted by J.A.B

IMO the CT team is more interested in creating its own little world than in making something that the average AH player will enjoy, and that's a dang shame considering that ALL of us are paying for their little playground.  

Well it is clear that you do not have access to our forum, because if you did, you wouldn't make such statements. Like I explained to you in our email exchanges, we are trying to create an arena that is an alternative to the main arena. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything selfish on our part. We are not yet using all the tools that will be available to us. We are still having to use 3 sided terrains main arena terrains, and a limited planeset in some areas. This will change in the future.

[J_A_B]

I believe the CT team IS trying to create an alternative to the MA--I think I mentioned this in my earlier post.  I also believe that the CT team is less interested in making a POPULAR alternative than in making an arena that they personally like.

Those two ideas aren't contradictory.

As for WHY I feel you aren't interested in the average AH player?   Simple.

The CT is lucky to get 40 people and is often empty or nearly so.  There are usually more people vulching each other in the TA than flying in the CT.  It's pretty clear that the CT has utterly no appeal to the normal AH player, yet the format isn't being signifigantly altered.

There are 2 possible reasons for this:

Reason 1: The CT team has decided upon a "niche" they're catering to and will stick with it despite lack of mass appeal.

Reason 2: The CT team is completely incompetent and actually thinks the setup they have might eventually have mass appeal.

I do not for an instant think ANY of the CT team members are incompetent, let alone all of you.  Therefore I assume number 1.  In order for number 2 to be true (which it obviously isn't) the CT team would have to be composed of total retards.  Far from thinking you're a bunch of retards, I actually like the CT team.

Again, while I do not agree with the way the CT is set up, I can see that it DOES have some advantages.  In particular it appeals to some players who are bored with the MA and might quite AH completely if not for the CT.  

My main gripe is I feel there should be a POPULAR alternate arena before "niche" arenas are created.  

J_A_B

[J_A_B]

Hblair, I think there IS a bit of selfishness involved, abeit good-natured selfishness.  

It is a fact that the CT is under-populated.  There are usually more people vulching each other in the TA than flying in the CT.  Yet the setup isn't being signifigantly altered.

I think it's because the CT team likes its idea and is determined to stick with it regardless of its lack of appeal to the average AH flyer.  There ARE advantages to this, in particular it's likely to keep players in AH who would otherwise become bored and quit.  While such an approach has advantages, I dislike it because it ignores 90% of the player base.  IMO there should be a POPULAR alternative to the MA before "niche" arenas.  

The alternative reason--the CT team is totally incompetent and actually thinks the current system might develop mass appeal.  This would suggest that you can't figure out why nobody likes the current setup.

Now tell me, is the CT team sticking with the current setup because they like it (good-natured selfishness), or are you all stupid?  Honestly, I don't think ANY of you are stupid.  Far from it.  Therefore I simply disagree with your approach.


There is also the chance that HTC is totally unwilling to work with the CT team and is simply not giving you the opportunity to make it work.  In this case the CT team has its hands tied and my other comments are totally wrong, but I feel this is unlikely.


EDIT:   I read this board every day.


J_A_B

[Buzzbait]

S! JAB

It is obvious you have not read the other posts on this board.

If you do so, you will understand why the current situation exists.

[hblair]

You might read this board every day J.A.B. but apparently you haven't all of this board, because you're answer is in the Combat Theater topic. And it's not some kind of conspiracy either.

[J_A_B]

Provide me a link please, as I'm not sure what topic you're referring to.

I don't believe in any conspiracy theories.  I just think there's a group of guys who like their idea and want to see it work, perhaps a little too much.  


J_A_B

[K West]