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Offline Tac

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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2001, 08:16:00 PM »
Yes, was thinking the same lazer.

Please put P-38 in there.. until they do the dive flaps its basically a slower J model.
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2001, 08:28:00 PM »
DAR OFF!!!!


Finally something realistic!! I'll be there, sneeking up on all you guys with "rusty jugs"   :D   Watch those taters!  :eek:

Seriously, In tower DAR is a good idea if HT can support it.  In plane, takes most of the "surprise factor" away from veteran pile-its.  I read once that about 70% of pile-its shot down in WWII never saw the plane that got them... GAME ON!

Max - scoring 1 for historical accuracy - Out!
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2001, 08:29:00 PM »
I too recommend adding the P-38.  The BigWeek scenario showed quite well that P-38's can be effectively killed by 109G6's and 190A-8's.  I also recommend adding the F6F because the Royal Navy used them.    Finally, I suggest removing the P-51B; it has the most potential of any to "unbalance" the plane set as it is double superior to most of the German fighters and the advantage only grows with altitude.

Add an F6F and I'll give it a try   :)

J_A_B
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2001, 08:37:00 PM »
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I read once that about 70% of pile-its shot down in WWII never saw the plane that got them... GAME ON!

Yes, but that doesn't just mean that they were flying along straight and level when <BOOM>.

What it also means is that they didn't see the guy come in behind them while they were in a dog fight.  They did't see the guy who blindsided them.  Waxing guys who are straight and level is certainly accurate, but don't take that to mean most kills were that way.

Besides, aren't those kills effectively freebie vulches?  Boring and unchallenging?
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2001, 10:20:00 PM »
Count me in!!  :D

Though I need to expose my ignorance here a bit.  I don't honestly remember ever reading much of anything stating the use of P-38s in the euro theater.
I'm also at a bit of a loss of F6f's being used in the Royal Navy.  Not saying that neither is true just that I haven't run across anything about it up to this point.

If anyone would be so kind as to illuminate on this somwhat I'd greatly apreciate it  :D
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2001, 11:51:00 PM »
Interesting idea Furious.

Fellas, I'm sorry your plane isn't featured in this planeset, but I hope this won't discourage you from giving this one a try.

[ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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Offline Beegerite

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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2001, 12:19:00 AM »
Damn shame we have to substitute.  Had we an axis equivalent we could forego icons entirely.
Beeg


Troop/Cargo Delivery: (all fields)
C-47 -Substitute for JU52
M-3 -Substitute for German Halftrack
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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2001, 01:40:00 AM »
Sounds like fun - I'm in for a try!  :)

to all they guys complaining, I do agree with some of the posts, but looks like somebody has actually made an effort to make the CT playable. They also claim that this is a first attempt - so please try it to see if "two guys can sneak under dar and capture" and such problems, really happen. then think of a solution.

Will be there on the weekend and drag as many as I can with me, to build a critical mass of players  :)

Bozon
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Offline BigMax

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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2001, 02:09:00 AM »
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Yes, but that doesn't just mean that they were flying along straight and level when <BOOM>.

What it also means is that they didn't see the guy come in behind them while they were in a dog fight.  They did't see the guy who blindsided them.  Waxing guys who are straight and level is certainly accurate, but don't take that to mean most kills were that way.

Besides, aren't those kills effectively freebie vulches?  Boring and unchallenging?

Karnak.. Tactics used by the Luftwaffe dictated that they used every possible advantage. Sun, clouds, etc... No, they weren't straight and level kills attributed to poor SA of the other pile-its. It was attributed to superior skill and tactics learned from the campaigns Germany had going on in the mid 30's.  

Put you to sleep.. no...  Kill you ... yes

Unchallenging? No.  I prefer to out-smart the other guy before I try to out-fly him.  I guess we find our challenges differently.

Sounds to me like all those oposed to DAR off really need long range icons in a controlled dueling arena to compensate for poor SA, which does exist by the way.

You want a real challenge?  Bring your squads up for a duel with the Assassins... ICONS OFF.  Only the FDB's have accepted and it was a blast.  It will give you a new perspective.

And lastly Karnak, there is a certain satisfaction in killing a straight and level plane after a successful stealth approach executed properly. Especially when you kill him, and he demands to know where you are and accuses you of cheating...  ROFLMAO

Turn DAR and ICONs off - We'll seperate the men from the boys real quick...

Max - Out!

[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: BigMax ]
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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2001, 02:43:00 AM »
WTG CT Team!

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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2001, 02:47:00 AM »
WTG CT staff, I'll be there, my plane-of-the-month is the mossie, so, axis wussies, watch out for NOE raids  ;)
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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2001, 03:18:00 AM »
S!

Couple comments:

The Fleet Air Arm did not use the F6f5 versus the Germans.  They used the earlier model F6f.

The P-38L is quite a bit faster than the P-38J.  Yes, P-38L's were killed in Big Week by the German planes there, (I killed one in an A5   :) ) but more often than not that was because they were outnumbered since there were more Luftwaffe interceptors than USAAF escorts.
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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2001, 04:23:00 AM »
Yup,
 WTG Guys, I'll be there.

TTFN
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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2001, 06:50:00 AM »
"Turn DAR and ICONs off - We'll seperate the men from the boys real quick..."

  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2001, 07:42:00 AM »
I don't think that Max means that literally Toad.  :D

BTW, we'd really enjoy having you and your fine squadmates in here. I hope you guys consider giving it a go.
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