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Offline earl1937

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The Lone Eagle
« on: October 02, 2013, 10:38:22 AM »
 :airplane: I always thought one of the interesting stories of WW2 was the part that Charles Linberg played in improving fuel range for P-38's and F4U's. He was, in some quarters, considered a threat to the U.S. military because of his activities with a peace group, the name of which excapes me right now. I ran across some interesting facts concerning his service with the U.S. military in the South Pacific. He of course, started his flying career flying the "Mail", when on to be the first to fly solo across the Atlantic, using the famous "Sprit of St. Louis".
 Charles Lindbergh toured the South Pacific as a civilian contractor for United Aircraft Corporation, comparing and evaluating performance of single- and twin-engined fighters for Vought. He worked to improve range and load limits of the Vought F4U Corsair, flying both routine and combat strafing missions in Corsairs alongside Marine pilots.Everywhere Lindbergh went in the South Pacific, he was accorded the normal preferential treatment of a visiting colonel, although he had resigned his Air Corps Reserve colonel's commission three years before. In Hollandia, Lindbergh attached himself to the 475th FG, flying P-38s. Although new to the aircraft, Lindbergh was instrumental in extending the range of the P-38 through improved throttle settings, or engine-leaning techniques, notably by reducing engine speed to 1,600 rpm, setting the carburetors for auto-lean and flying at 185 mph (298 km/h) indicated airspeed which reduced fuel consumption to 70 gal/h, about 2.6 mpg. This combination of settings had been considered dangerous and would upset the fuel mixture, causing an explosion.
While with the 475th, he held training classes and took part in a number of Army Air Corps combat missions. On 28 July 1944, Lindbergh shot down a Mitsubishi Ki-51 "Sonia" flown expertly by the veteran commander of 73rd Independent Flying Chutai, Imperial Japanese Army Captain Saburo Shimada. In an extended, twisting dogfight in which many of the participants ran out of ammunition, Shimada turned his aircraft directly toward Lindbergh who was just approaching the combat area. Lindbergh fired in a defensive reaction brought on by Shimada's apparent head-on ramming attack. Hit by cannon and machine gun fire, the "Sonia's" propeller visibly slowed, but Shimada held his course. Lindbergh pulled up at the last moment to avoid collision as the damaged "Sonia" went into a steep dive, hit the ocean and sank. Lindbergh's wingman, ace Joseph E. "Fishkiller" Miller, Jr., had also scored hits on the "Sonia" after it had begun its fatal dive, but Miller was certain the kill credit was Lindbergh's. The unofficial kill was not entered in the 475th's war record. On 12 August 1944, Lindbergh left Hollandia to return to the United States
A modified P-38M night fighter with nose mounted radar.
Lindy kept a dairy of his activities while with the 475th and the following is a copy of what he entered after RTB', following his kill of the Japanese aircraft. They had just spotted 2 Japanese aircraft and he entered into his diary:We jettison our drop tanks, switch on our guns, and nose down to the attack. One Jap plane banks sharply toward the airstrip and the protection of the antiaircraft guns. The second heads off into the haze and clouds. Colonel MacDonald gets a full deflection shot on the first, starts him smoking, and forces him to reverse his bank.
We are spaced 1,000 feet apart. Captain [Danforth] Miller gets in a short deflection burst with no noticeable effect. I start firing as the plane is completing its turn in my direction. I see the tracers and the 20's [20mm. cannon] find their mark, a hail of shells directly on the target. But he straightens out and flies directly toward me.

I hold the trigger down and my sight on his engine as we approach head on. My tracers and my 20's spatter on his plane. We are close - too close - hurtling at each other at more than 500 miles an hour. I pull back on the controls. His plane zooms suddenly upward with extraordinary sharpness.

I pull back with all the strength I have. Will we hit? His plane, before a slender toy in my sight, looms huge in size. A second passes - two three - I can see the finning on his engine cylinders. There is a rough jolt of air as he shoots past behind me.

By how much did we miss? Ten feet? Probably less than that. There is no time to consider or feel afraid. I am climbing steeply. I bank to the left. No, that will take me into the ack-ack fire above Amahai strip. I reverse to the right. It all has taken seconds.

My eyes sweep the sky for aircraft. Those are only P-38's and the plane I have just shot down. He is starting down in a wing over - out of control. The nose goes down. The plane turns slightly as it picks up speed-down-down-down toward the sea. A fountain of spray-white foam on the water-waves circling outward as from a stone tossed in a pool-the waves merge into those of the sea-the foam disappears - the surface is as it was before.

My wingman is with me, but I have broken from my flight. There are six P-38's circling the area where the enemy plane went down. But all six planes turn out to be from another squadron. I call 'Possum 1,' and get a reply which I think says they are above the cloud layer. It is thin, and I climb up through on instruments. But there are no planes in sight, and I have lost my wingman. I dive back down but all planes below have disappeared, too. Radio reception is so poor that I can get no further contact. I climb back into the clouds and take up course for home, cutting through the tops and keeping a sharp lookout for enemy planes above. Finally make radio contact with 'Possum' flight and tell them I will join them over our original rendezvous point (the Pisang Islands).

The heavies are bombing as I sight the Boela strips; I turn in that direction to get a better view. They have started a large fire in the oil-well area of Boela - a great column of black smoke rising higher and higher in the air. The bombers are out of range, so the ack-ack concentrates on me-black puffs of smoke all around, but none nearby. I weave out of range and take up course for the Pisang Islands again. I arrive about five minutes ahead of my flight. We join and take up course for Biak Island. Landed at Mokmer strip at 1555.

(Lieutenant Miller, my wingman, reported seeing the tracers of the Jap plane shooting at me. I was so concentrated on my own firing that I did not see the flashes of his guns. Miller said the plane rolled over out of control right after he passed me. Apparently my bullets had either severed the controls or killed the pilot.)"

I always find it interesting to read pilots recall of aerial combat, and then read what another witness saw at the same time. Always interesting to see how modest the combat pilot engaged states his facts as he sees them and how the witness see it.
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Re: The Lone Eagle
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2013, 10:02:16 AM »
Wow

Thanks for sharing :x
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2013, 07:20:29 PM »
The name of the Peace Group that Lindy supported that escapes you is the National Socialist German Workers Party.

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2013, 01:25:21 PM »
The name of the Peace Group that Lindy supported that escapes you is the National Socialist German Workers Party.
:airplane: I knew that sir, but I did not want to tarnish the "Lone Eagle's" reputation, as I think he redeemed himself quite well during and after the war. I am not sure of this, but I suspect that he was more than a visitor to the German High Command before the war. Maybe that he had to join the NSGWP as a cover for what he did for the U.S. on his visit to Germany, prior to the war. Don't want to start a argument about that, that is just my opinion.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2013, 03:14:38 PM »
:airplane: I knew that sir, but I did not want to tarnish the "Lone Eagle's" reputation, as I think he redeemed himself quite well during and after the war. I am not sure of this, but I suspect that he was more than a visitor to the German High Command before the war. Maybe that he had to join the NSGWP as a cover for what he did for the U.S. on his visit to Germany, prior to the war. Don't want to start a argument about that, that is just my opinion.

He was a pretty noted isolationist and Nazi apologist...

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Holocaust researcher and investigative journalist Max Wallace in his book, The American Axis, agreed with Franklin Roosevelt's assessment that Lindbergh was "pro-Nazi." Wallace finds the Roosevelt Administration's accusations of dual loyalty or treason as unsubstantiated. Wallace considers Lindbergh a well-intentioned, but bigoted and misguided, Nazi sympathizer whose career as the leader of the isolationist movement had a destructive impact on Jewish people.

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2013, 03:31:47 PM »
Politics aside he was a very interesting fellow and a key figure in the history of aviation. I don't think a lot of people know about his WW2 service with Lockheed he is usually only remembered for the solo Atlantic crossing flight.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2013, 10:01:44 PM »
By "tarnish" you mean, accurately portray.
He is not the last anything ecept the last american nazi, every farm boy who packed a Garrand was a far bigger hero then that clown would ever be.
There is no need to look hard for US heroism in that war, why try to find it in someone who was not a NAZI apologist,but a nazi proponent.
Its like if you tried to make a hero of Unity Mitford.

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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2013, 10:53:38 AM »
By "tarnish" you mean, accurately portray.
He is not the last anything ecept the last american nazi, every farm boy who packed a Garrand was a far bigger hero then that clown would ever be.
There is no need to look hard for US heroism in that war, why try to find it in someone who was not a NAZI apologist,but a nazi proponent.
Its like if you tried to make a hero of Unity Mitford.
:airplane: Since you or I do not know what motivated "Lindy" to do the things that he said and did, I would prefer to keep him in the positive side of the ledger when it came to doing things to help the U.S. in WW2. He saved a lot of lives with his instructions to fighter pilots in the vast South Pacific area of conflict by teaching them how to stretch their fuel to get home, that sir, is a fact.
Why do you think they would not let him go to the European theater of operations during the war? I suspect they feared him falling into the hands of the Germans and the SS getting info from him concerning his report back to the U.S. after his visit to the German High command, but that is my opinion, not a report fact. You see him in one light, based on what others have said about him, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt, since his contributions to our war effort are well know.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2013, 12:23:00 PM »
Since you or I do not know what motivated "Lindy" to do the things that he said and did, I would prefer to keep him in the positive side of the ledger when it came to doing things to help the U.S. in WW2.

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You see him in one light, based on what others have said about him, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt, since his contributions to our war effort are well know.

We do know what motivated him... he was a bigot and an anti-semite. There are plenty of people who have both good and bad things about them. Charles Lindbergh is one of them, and sweeping the negatives under the rug and focusing solely on the positives is just as bad as the reverse. He was a flawed man, like most of us are, but cherry picking autobiographical facts that suit your agenda does a disservice to history and stinks of revisionism. It's OK, he's dead. We can talk about it objectively.

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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2013, 12:46:07 PM »
We do know what motivated him... he was a bigot and an anti-semite. There are plenty of people who have both good and bad things about them. Charles Lindbergh is one of them, and sweeping the negatives under the rug and focusing solely on the positives is just as bad as the reverse. He was a flawed man, like most of us are, but cherry picking autobiographical facts that suit your agenda does a disservice to history and stinks of revisionism. It's OK, he's dead. We can talk about it objectively.
:headscratch: I don't have an agenda sir! I just thought his contributions to the war effort was worth mentioning and I certainly was not trying to make him a hero. The point of the post was his contributions to the war effort, not his politics. Even though we disagreed on this matter, I will disable my cannon the next time we meet in the MLW arena, and I promise to shoot only 25 .50 cal bullets at you and if I don't kill you, then I will salute you and be on my way and hope that we will still be friends!
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2013, 12:54:17 PM »
Actually, he was one of the heroes of my youth (blame the Jimmy Stewart* movie). It wasn't until later in life that I found out about his attraction to nationalism and his admiration for Hitler (which I'd still like to believe he felt disillusion over after the U.S. entered the war). I also found out about his work in the Pacific theater with both the F4U and the P-38 when I started my online flight sim hobby (and thought of such as redeeming). So, with the revelation of clay feet, my admiration became selective over elements of this man's life. Admirable becomes attached to the act more than the man, in some cases. In others, they reside in both (and perhaps, due to some degree, thanks to naivete).

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2013, 01:00:53 PM »
Found this to be interesting.
Subjective none the less interesting.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/killed-lindbergh-baby.html

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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2013, 01:16:12 PM »
:headscratch: I don't have an agenda sir! I just thought his contributions to the war effort was worth mentioning and I certainly was not trying to make him a hero. The point of the post was his contributions to the war effort, not his politics. Even though we disagreed on this matter, I will disable my cannon the next time we meet in the MLW arena, and I promise to shoot only 25 .50 cal bullets at you and if I don't kill you, then I will salute you and be on my way and hope that we will still be friends!

Of course we can still be friends, ET37! Just wanted to make very clear where I stand on the issue, as I've seen more than my share of revisionist BS on channel 200, so I wasn't sure if you were among those folks or not. I will see you in the friendly skies :salute

It wasn't until later in life that I found out about his attraction to nationalism and his admiration for Hitler (which I'd still like to believe he felt disillusion over after the U.S. entered the war).

Happens to the best of us! Several of the heroes of my youth turned out to be scumbags.

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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2013, 02:21:40 PM »
Of course we can still be friends, ET37! Just wanted to make very clear where I stand on the issue, as I've seen more than my share of revisionist BS on channel 200, so I wasn't sure if you were among those folks or not. I will see you in the friendly skies :salute

Happens to the best of us! Several of the heroes of my youth turned out to be scumbags.
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2013, 02:24:36 PM »
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