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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2013, 09:24:28 AM »
Its the daily mail....

That's like using the National Enquirer as a source.
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2013, 09:26:45 AM »
computers = garbage in, garbage out.


Since the last ice age (roughly 10,000 years ago) the planet has been gradually warming. No big deal. The geological record shows the cycles of warming/cooling over time. It's a natural thing.

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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2013, 09:30:55 AM »
Its the daily mail....

That's like using the National Enquirer as a source.

The article was supported by the NY Times the same week.  It wasn't so much about the narrative as it was about the scientists that were quoted.

EDIT:  But even the narrative wasn't biased...it was simply stating the evidence presented and the model's flaws (that are supported by the chief US climate scientist).
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2013, 11:34:57 AM »
Its the daily mail....

That's like using the National Enquirer as a source.

 I like Daily Mail, one of my favorite site for years, always something easy interesting or entertaining  to read; well not all the news posted are verifiable.

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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2013, 11:37:01 AM »
the friday frodos are far more entertaining...
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2013, 02:14:11 PM »
Global cooling has artsy fartsy graphics and the fm sucks compared to global warming. Your all stupid anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2013, 04:59:49 PM »
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2013, 04:41:48 AM »
Look to the oceans if you don't see a problem.

If you can debunk man made climate change; write a paper, get it peer reviewed, and accept your Nobel prize.
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2013, 07:46:45 AM »
Look to the oceans if you don't see a problem.

If you can debunk man made climate change; write a paper, get it peer reviewed, and accept your Nobel prize.

Find a paper that definitely proves man made climate change.  The vast majority that I have read are based on flawed or outright fraudulent data.  Kind of more than makes their conclusions a bit suspect.
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2013, 08:55:32 AM »
Find a paper that definitely proves man made climate change.  The vast majority that I have read are based on flawed or outright fraudulent data.  Kind of more than makes their conclusions a bit suspect.

Hey...ya can't make money from a fraud if you can't lie ya know!  Yup....the earth has cooled and got warmer on its' own for years.

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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2013, 09:04:00 AM »
0bama said it i believe that settles it. :rofl

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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2013, 12:51:39 PM »
There is measurable evidence that the earth has an ice age/non-ice age recurring cycle. 20000 years with ice age, 10000 years non-iceage. So yes the planet itself is in constant flux.

The idea that our actions as a tech species does not affect climate change is plain ignorant however. Herd animals cover wide territories because they will and do eat themselves out of house and home, so they look for greener pastures. Humans as a species have taken over the entire planet to the point that we no longer have greener pastures to turn too.
ie: the Mayan Indians of South America, changed their environment so much that their culture was no longer sustainable, it disappeared. They cut down so many trees that their farm lands became silted over.

Our current dilemma is very similar. We are cutting down trees at a fast rate. The rainforests of the world are disappearing. There is no more old growth forests left in America, except the Sequoias. Trees eat green house gases and expel oxygen. Animal life on this planet is a direct result from trees. Trees enmass are heat sinks and water sinks. Remove the trees and the heats stays in the atmosphere, water levels in the ocean increase. The artic and Antarctic icecaps are disappearing, this increases water levels.

We today will not pay the price for our species voracious behavior. We will be our own extinction event in the future if we as a species refuse to open our eyes today. We need to step out of our animal behavior and step into a common sense approach as to how we use our earth's resources, or else we get what we deserve.
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2013, 03:38:43 PM »
There is measurable evidence that the earth has an ice age/non-ice age recurring cycle. 20000 years with ice age, 10000 years non-iceage. So yes the planet itself is in constant flux.

The idea that our actions as a tech species does not affect climate change is plain ignorant however. Herd animals cover wide territories because they will and do eat themselves out of house and home, so they look for greener pastures. Humans as a species have taken over the entire planet to the point that we no longer have greener pastures to turn too.
ie: the Mayan Indians of South America, changed their environment so much that their culture was no longer sustainable, it disappeared. They cut down so many trees that their farm lands became silted over.

Our current dilemma is very similar. We are cutting down trees at a fast rate. The rainforests of the world are disappearing. There is no more old growth forests left in America, except the Sequoias. Trees eat green house gases and expel oxygen. Animal life on this planet is a direct result from trees. Trees enmass are heat sinks and water sinks. Remove the trees and the heats stays in the atmosphere, water levels in the ocean increase. The artic and Antarctic icecaps are disappearing, this increases water levels.

We today will not pay the price for our species voracious behavior. We will be our own extinction event in the future if we as a species refuse to open our eyes today. We need to step out of our animal behavior and step into a common sense approach as to how we use our earth's resources, or else we get what we deserve.
Extinction
Those that deny this the most are probably those that benefit the most in our society. History is full of examples where we impacted the environment locally. Now we cover the planet, we impact the environment globally. Common sense dictates..................... .......................

Except that the article explains the Antarctic ice is EXPANDING and the Polar cap is coming back quicker than expected.  Those are not Changeup's views, those are in the report the article cited and they have no explanation for it.
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2013, 04:14:32 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420783/Worlds-climate-scientists-confess-Global-warming-just-QUARTER-thought--computers-got-effects-greenhouse-gases-wrong.html

Uh, welcome to 7 weeks ago. Since then, the Mail on Sunday and several other papers which followed their report verbatim have been obliged to print climb-downs, as the error was made by the paper, not by the IPCC.

We're fortunate enough down here to have a national-broadcaster program dedicated entirely to keeping media honest (and, before you ask, yes, they also lance their own colleagues when required).

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3854782.htm

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