Grumman Rules the Sky

[WWhiskey]

You've got that the wrong way 'round Brooke..

A 1946 USN airshow stunt has nothing to do with an officially sanctioned FAI World time-to-climb record..

so what is the FIA SANCTIONED time to climb numbers for the P-51h?

[Brooke]

You've got that the wrong way 'round Brooke..

A 1946 USN airshow stunt has nothing to do with an officially sanctioned FAI World time-to-climb record..

We were talking about a Bearcat test done in 1946, and the title and subject of this topic was not changed to "FAI:  a discussion of it's record keeping policies, 1950 to 1951".  So, no, I don't have it the wrong way around.

FAI is irrelevant to all of this:

From Thierry Montigneaux, Assistant Secretary General of the at FAI:  “No performance set in 1946 could therefore have qualified as an official ‘world’ record, as this category of record did not exist then."

[J.A.W.]

W.W. Dunno, ask Widey, the FAI thing - it was his claim, bogus or otherwise..

My understanding is the jet-bent USAAF wanted to do the 'sound barrier' not mess around with airshow stunts.
They didn't even run a recip 'Thunderbirds' display team, unlike the Navy 'Blue Angels'..



Brooke, when will you realize that the FAI has been responsible for aviation World Records for over a century..

When was it - do you suppose - that they started separate records for recips & turbo-jets? 1919? or 1949?

[J.A.W.]

We were talking about a Bearcat test done in 1946, and the title and subject of this topic was not changed to "FAI:  a discussion of it's record keeping policies, 1950 to 1951".  So, no, I don't have it the wrong way around.

FAI is irrelevant to all of this:

Brooke, just how do you think new category FAI records are entered into existence?

By the proposal being put to FAI for ratification consideration,
 - something that in the case of a time-to-climb record, the USN did not do, but the RAF clearly did..

[Golfer]

Because the only person who gives a flip is you and they were too busy being big balled aviators flying Sierra Hotel airplanes to do the paperwork?

[J.A.W.]

Did you read post #199 yet, G?

Here's some `51H info for you, since you are a fan..

Steve Couches has a bit of `51H stick time..
& he reckons..

"I always say - you drive the `51D, but you can fly a `51H.
It weighs 1,600lbs less & you can take off with a full fuel load in 8-900ft."

Those tail-hook heroes weren't the only game in town, 'cept maybe -  in the cunning stunt dept..

I'm not bothered, & anyhow, it was Widey's  fanciful 'story' that started the whole F8F/FAI thing..

[-ammo-]

Did you read post #199 yet, G?

Here's some `51H info for you, since you are a fan..

Steve Couches has a bit of `51H stick time..
& he reckons..

"I always say - you drive the `51D, but you can fly a `51H.
It weighs 1,600lbs less & you can take off with a full fuel load in 8-900ft."

Those tail-hook heroes weren't the only game in town, 'cept maybe -  in the cunning stunt dept..

I'm not bothered, & anyhow, it was Widey's  fanciful 'story' that started the whole F8F/FAI thing..

Thanks for the entertainment - character be damned

[Brooke]

Brooke, just how do you think new category FAI records are entered into existence?

By the proposal being put to FAI for ratification consideration,
 - something that in the case of a time-to-climb record, the USN did not do, but the RAF clearly did..

You need a new topic (one other than this topic) for a discussion of FAI's record keeping policies, 1950 to 1951.

[J.A.W.]

Yeah, agreed Brooke, its done.
& the whole FAI/F8F 1946 thing - it just was another spurious story of Widey's anyhow..

[Widewing]

Simple question.. When Rare Bear broke the time to climb record for piston-engine, prop driven aircraft, what record did it break?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[J.A.W.]

Well Widey, that kinda depends..

Do you mean an actual FAI World Record?

Or some salty ol' flim-flam tail-hook shenanigans?

[Widewing]

Well Widey, that kinda depends..

Do you mean an actual FAI World Record?

Or some salty ol' flim-flam tail-hook shenanigans?

As I said, it's a simple question..... You're just ducking it.

[J.A.W.]

& What is the current FAI time-to-climb recip record, & does it actually better the R-B,
 ( or the `46 barnacle-scrapers, & unofficial, even) record?

[Widewing]

& What is the current FAI time-to-climb recip record, & does it actually better the R-B,
 ( or the `46 barnacle-scrapers, & unofficial, even) record?

I'm asking the question... You're answering.

[GAReaper]

Wow I can't believe this is still going on.

And JAW since obviously you know everything (clearly since you have continued arguing with multiple people telling you otherwise), quit ducking the question and just answer it. Or do you need time still to continue your google search for the answer?

Seriously dude what is the point of you carrying on for 21 pages now ranting and raving when it has nothing to do with you. None of these planes are in the game (which it doesn't even appear you play). Clearly you are carrying on just to get a rise out of people, or because you are an attention seeker. Either way pretty sad, and I honestly can't believe the admins have let it carry on this long.

Anyway, I'm done here. Not in my nature to start crap or troll.   guys.