Fortress over Europe, It was awful!

[Getback]

I participated in Frame 2 and Frame 3 of this FSO. It was horrible!! Frames like these are why I gave up the FSO for years at one point. We were fighting in Early War Planes vs Late War Planes. Our squad was in A8s, they could barely get to the Altitude of the bombers and then could hardly catch them. I never felt so out of it. Then, nothing to do with the FSO, we were so out of position, that after rethinking things, I wish I would have just landed. We were over a sector away when the base we were suppose to be Capping was flashing. No way we could make it in those slow planes. In fact when we finally got a visual on the bombers they had dropped their bombs and were well on their way home.

I guess Christmas came early for the allies.

Final thought, I invited two squaddies to join us in the FSO. Thank Goodness they didn't couldn't make it. I would have been embarrassed.

[captain1ma]

i wouldn't call it aweful, i would call it very challenging. you had to fight to get altitude as fast  as possible and then you needed in position when the bombers came. The allies got airspawns, the axis didn't, therefore it was a scramble to get into the air. the bigger problem was that there wasn't a whole lot of time to scout, although we did have darbar. and once spotted we weren't in a good position to intercept them. it was tough setup. had we had a little more time to get in position, things might have been different.

i personally would like to apologize to the axis for frame 3, for using the ME262's as scouts. i was hoping they would have more time to find the allies.......i was wrong. i was also hoping that people would call out positions of the bombers better, with the use of the ME262. that sorta worked. Live and learn i guess. thanks to everyone that tried to make it fun. JG54 made great targets for the fighter escorts. <S>

[Triton28]

I had fun, but I usually do unless I get a one ping pilot or radiator kill.   

If they were all easy it wouldn't be very much fun. 

[ImADot]

My experience was very different.

Frame 1 saw my squad in B24s. Some made it to target, and some even made it home...it was tough against the schwarms we encountered.

Frame 2 saw us in P47s. Our package of B29s made it to target with heavy losses due to the schwarms we ran into, and some made it back home.

Frame 3 saw us again in B24s. None of us made it closer than 25 miles to the target because of the cloud of red between us and the target. Our night lasted about 40 minutes.

It was no picnic, and the Allies didn't have any early Christmas. It was a "what if" design, which isn't done very often. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. If is wasn't for the guys who design these events, many people would end up spending their Friday nights watching TV.

[edge12674]

Flying for the Allies this FSO was certainly no picnic.  Our first frame we were in P-51s on a fighter sweep and we were either out maneuvered by 109Ks or out dove by FW190s.
Both second and third frames were in B-24s and B-17s.  Each sortie found us fighting our way to target and fighting our way out.  Our fighter escorts lamented that they could do very little to stop the first attack run of the Axis fighters against the bombers.  Each initial contact with swarms of Axis fighters showed them to have the altitude advantage.  Both frames resulted in 1/3 to 1/2 of our buffs being brought down and ammo for rear firing guns being exhausted.  Last frame, after egressing over 100 miles from target, my last B-17 was brought down within 25 miles of the safe zone.  Well done Axis!!  There were certainly no milkruns on our end!

Kudos to the CM staff.  If both sides talk about the difficulty of their missions you know you have done something right.  

[Jed]

2 out of the 3 frames we were clobbered by large numbers of 190's and 109's who knew the target we were coming to. They simply waited and overwhelmed us. It was well executed and coordinated <S> 💩👍, not sure if I was in the same FSO as the one where the axis had it rough.  I thought it was well put together , sure some things could have been tweaked. But overall was a great time!!! Keeping me locked into the game.
Hub

[1Canukk]

      Every FSO presents it good and bad scenarios , For me and I feel the rest JG11 was that we had only 1 good pass on the bomber formations before they return for home . The A8  is a very capable plane , not that it has great attributes up high , it all comes to setting up your 1st pass ... The late war planes the Allies had were a hand full to say the lease but it does make the setup for your 1st engagement more calculated and Planning . We are lucky in the JG11 to have one of the best for this Stampf always puts us in great position for the 1st pass doesn't matter what we in . Was great fun ...To all    Oops forgot all have a safe Holiday season and see you all up in this pixel skies

   Canukk " Lucas" 

[Shamus]

Ah quit your blubbering, the A8's didn't have any trouble tearing up the buffs we were escorting at 19k. The previous two weeks we were in buffs up high and still got slaughtered.

shamus    

[Hopper]

Ah quit your blubbering, the A8's didn't have any trouble tearing up the buffs we were escorting at 19k. The previous two weeks we were in buffs up high and still got slaughtered.

shamus    

 

[LCADolby]

Allied FSO players require B29s because they are tired of losing week after week to the historic planes set 

Pandering to lesser determined players, for shame I say... for shame!

[Getback]

To those that had fun Great! However, take a8s to 30k for 2 weeks in a row, deal with 35k p47s, 30k b29s, 30+k P51s and then report back.

It won't matter, but I think I'm out of the FSO for a while.

[pops57]

Sounds like it was good and bad for each side depending on how the cards fell--what more could a designer ask for? My group was first in on bombers twice, taking heavy losses both times but we pulled the escorts down from their 3 to 5k height advantage so the next group had a more even start! That's how it should be--some times the chaff other times the wheat! I for one had fun! Thanks to all that put these together! 

[Shamus]

You're right it wont matter, gawwd the narcissism of some just blows my mind.

shamus

[TheBug]

Shamus you're so hostile these days.

Be careful Santa is watching......




 

[ReVo]

You're right it wont matter, gawwd the narcissism of some just blows my mind.

shamus

I admit this scenario seemed to be stacked a bit in favor of the allies, but I still managed to get six in my G-14 in frame 3, and force one B-24 to bail before I could get in gun range. All with only a single 30mm.