50's are different in different planes?

[BBP]

Why can I blow the crap out of everything in a F6F and when I fly the P-51 its like I'm shooting BB's? (SAME CONVERGENCE) ????? HELP!

[BluBerry]

 You can fire 5 different handguns of all identical caliber and none will shoot alike. Its all about the entire package.. or in this case, aircraft.

[Ack-Ack]

What help do you need other than working on your aim?  Lethality of the .50 calibers is the same for every plane equipped with machine guns.

ack-ack

[Latrobe]

It's probably time on target. P51s are fast and you spend less time shooting the plane. F6Fs are slow and you can sit on their 6 while turning and just fill them with led all day.

[LLv34_Dictonius]

Why can I blow the crap out of everything in a F6F and when I fly the P-51 its like I'm shooting BB's? (SAME CONVERGENCE) ????? HELP!

All the prolly right answers aside (above), I was thinking exactly the same thing this morning!

[Redd]

On my setup the 51 feels a bit bouncy in the nose and the hellcat feels rock solid

[Fulcrum]

On my setup the 51 feels a bit bouncy in the nose and the hellcat feels rock solid

I dont think its your setup.  I've always felt the Hellcat was a more stable gun platform....but I'm terrible with .50s so dont take my word for it.   

[Randy1]

What Latrobe said.  Closure rate and even wing gun spread can make just enough difference to throw your gun eye off not to mention changes in lag.

I will switch between the P38 and P47.  I don't have near as much trouble with the switch if I do it often.

[Wiley]

My theory on it is something to do with the way the plane handles and the geometry between your LOS and where the guns are mounted on the pony.  I have decent-ish gunnery in the P47, F6F, F4F, and F4U's, but I also often feel less effective in the pony for some reason.

Wiley.

[Scca]

My theory on it is something to do with the way the plane handles and the geometry between your LOS and where the guns are mounted on the pony.  I have decent-ish gunnery in the P47, F6F, F4F, and F4U's, but I also often feel less effective in the pony for some reason.

Wiley.

Same here...  I find Pee-51's fun to fly, but I don't kill much in them... 

[Bruv119]

I've always put this down to speed and momentum.

If there is no closure or the enemy is ducking and weaving it does on average seem to take more to put them down. 

A perfect cherry at 500mph and they die in an instant.   

50cal has to be one of if not thee best armament in game.   Fly a P51B for awhile get used to having 4 guns and then when you go back to 6 or 8 it is just ridiculous.  Convergence is usually 300 for me with it.   

[mthrockmor]

It may also be the fact that F6F has much more ammo than the PonyD.

This doesn't change the impact of the 50 cals, just the psychology of it: Since you have more ammo in the Hellcat you are inclined to hold the trigger longer; the PonyD less so you use more burst. And in both cases, you may not be aware of it.

I know those rare occassions I fly the Spit I barely touch the cannons because there are so few. The Butcher Birds with 500x20mm, not as cautious.

Just a guess.

boo

[Wiley]

It may also be the fact that F6F has much more ammo than the PonyD.

This doesn't change the impact of the 50 cals, just the psychology of it: Since you have more ammo in the Hellcat you are inclined to hold the trigger longer; the PonyD less so you use more burst. And in both cases, you may not be aware of it.

I know those rare occassions I fly the Spit I barely touch the cannons because there are so few. The Butcher Birds with 500x20mm, not as cautious.

Just a guess.

boo

That's an interesting thought, but if that's a factor for me, it's DEEPLY unconscious.  There are only 2 planes I can think of where I am even remotely thinking about my ammo counter.  The 109s with 30mm and the Spit 5.

Anything else, and .50 equipped planes in particular, I'm generally thinking 'hold trigger for 1 second' when I get a good shot.  I don't actually hold it for a second, but I generally fire in relatively long bursts.  I'm not interested in efficiency, I'm interested in killing the guy that's in my sights.

One of these days I'm going to spend a couple weeks in the pony just to try to figure out what is messing me up in it.

Wiley.

[Vortex]

This is a bit of a guess on my part, but the reason the stallfighter .50's feel like they have more pop than the b&z .50 could be related to convergence, and its effects.

As I recall the .50 calls are more noticeably affected by convergence since they do not explode like a cannon. So when you have them all hitting at the same spot/time that collective energy gives them a big boost...you're getting a lot of focused damage done on one spot. With a stallfighter you tend to sit in that convergence sweet spot much longer during a fight, therefore it appears that when you shoot, you do more damage. With a b&z ride, alternatively, you can be through the sweet spot before you pull the trigger, or alternatively not even get to it, thus giving the impression that the guns are not hitting as hard.

My two bits anywhooo.

[BluBerry]

This is a bit of a guess on my part, but the reason the stallfighter .50's feel like they have more pop than the b&z .50 could be related to convergence, and its effects.

As I recall the .50 calls are more noticeably affected by convergence since they do not explode like a cannon. So when you have them all hitting at the same spot/time that collective energy gives them a big boost...you're getting a lot of focused damage done on one spot. With a stallfighter you tend to sit in that convergence sweet spot much longer during a fight, therefore it appears that when you shoot, you do more damage. With a b&z ride, alternatively, you can be through the sweet spot before you pull the trigger, or alternatively not even get to it, thus giving the impression that the guns are not hitting as hard.

My two bits anywhooo.

Good point.