fighter Ranking formula Modification

[Debrody]

if it is so easy then why doesnt the spit16 have those stats?


semp

I have said, relatively easy, dear Mistress Smartarse.

[guncrasher]

I have said, relatively easy, dear Mistress Smartarse.

probably because you are just being vague.  you are saying getting kills in a ponyd is "relatively easy"  but as compared to what?  the full plane set? the storch? goons? 190's? zekes?

see I had to actually look up the term "relatively easy", as you know english is my 3rd language.  so the english terms are sometimes not relatively easy for me to understand as for example german.  so I wanted to make sure I didnt misunderstand what you said.

what I think you are trying to do is what was mentioned before.  you are trying to define which airplane is easier to get kills than other.   but regardless of which airplane you think it's easy and which it's hard, you can never come up with a standard that will define which airplanes are easier to fly and which are hard.

you probably have better luck trying to define skill.  or the other term, people love to use "given two players of equal skill....".  this one makes me laugh as there is no such thing as two players of equal skill.

 

semp



semp

[Slade]

Many times it is not even what plane we even choose to fly but someone's very skewed view of what makes them great and you not.  In some cases we are blasted and blasted AND BLASTED on 200 to this.  Like many, I appreciate much of the comradery on 200 but our only weapon in these abuses is Squelch.

Luckily it is only a few that do this and AH have noticed them to the degree of muting them for a time.  Too often though they go right back to it. 

Remind we why there is no small permanent\persistent squelch list?

[Debrody]

See rule #4

[Fox]

Why not use the current scoring methods to award a highest score in each plane each tour.  Lots of people could be the highest score every month, just in different planes.  The overall highest score could be left as is, which is usually achieved by using a high percentage of perked planes and gvs.

[Arbiter]

Many times it is not even what plane we even choose to fly but someone's very skewed view of what makes them great and you not.  In some cases we are blasted and blasted AND BLASTED on 200 to this.  Like many, I appreciate much of the comradery on 200 but our only weapon in these abuses is Squelch.

Luckily it is only a few that do this and AH have noticed them to the degree of muting them for a time.  Too often though they go right back to it. 

Remind we why there is no small permanent\persistent squelch list?

Best thing to do is to ignore.  Or better still simply avoid ch200, which can be entertaining and at times is great to playfully give an opposing player a hard time.  The problem is some do so in a less than mature manner.

[Slade]

Why not use the current scoring methods to award a highest score in each plane each tour.  Lots of people could be the highest score every month, just in different planes.  The overall highest score could be left as is, which is usually achieved by using a high percentage of perked planes and gvs.

If I understand that right.  +1

I think modest planes are awarded more points for actions? Perhaps that would better achieve factoring in pilots that fly modest planes.

...of course that is admittedly my very skewed take how rank should work.  P-40s should factor in greater than say an LA-7 etc.

[The Fugitive]

If I understand that right.  +1

I think modest planes are awarded more points for actions? Perhaps that would better achieve factoring in pilots that fly modest planes.

...of course that is admittedly my very skewed take how rank should work.  P-40s should factor in greater than say an LA-7 etc.

Are you worried more about "rank" or are you looking to provide incentive for other players to jump into higher ENY planes?

[Vinkman]

For those who wish to score well, the current score system does a very good job at ranking them. People are not forced into any plane, so they can choose what planes they wish to use to score well. The issue is that many people want to use their own Idea of what a "Good pilot" is. But then they want to use the term good pilot generically. A pilot who's gunnery is better may choose a faster non turning plane, simply because that is his best way to turn is skills into points. Other players may be good at SA and wish to use a slower turning plane against multiple bogies because it leverages there skills into score. Why should either of these players be reward or have a detriment for the way they wish to score?

And a 3rd player will not care about score at all, and simply fly what plane he likes for his own reasons. He may not care if he dies, he may crash just to get back to base faster. And hence there really is no way to numerically quantify "SKILL".

So now trying to rank planes to reflect "Skill" when "skill" can not be defined in the first place , would be nothing but folly.

And hence

It would satisfy almost no one, but instead would simply start complaints about how their favorite plane is unfairly rated for the score system.

HiTech

Yes the word "Rank" implies for many a measure of quality or skill. If that is not the purpose of the Rank, then there is no need to change it.  Thanks for the insight. 

[Tinkles]

<snip>

  I became a trainer to help improve game play for everyone,I somehow feel like I've failed at this.

It isn't always the teachers fault that a student fails.

In your case though Morf, it isn't your fault. 

[atlau]

How about adding an ENY kill ratio to the list of considerations for calculating rank? Might encourage people to play around with the less "uber" planes.

I think it would just be cool to see who has the most success with flying the more "challenging" planes. Speaking of ENY, how closely does ENY mirror kill ratios? For example, do 5 ENY planes like the P-51 or LA-7 have a 4 times better kill ratio than a 20 ENY P-38J?

[Lusche]

I think it would just be cool to see who has the most success with flying the more "challenging" planes. Speaking of ENY, how closely does ENY mirror kill ratios? For example, do 5 ENY planes like the P-51 or LA-7 have a 4 times better kill ratio than a 20 ENY P-38J?

Will try to publish that Sat/Sun. See my stats thread for 2012 data.

[caldera]

Will try to publish that Sat/Sun. See my stats thread for 2012 data.

What page are the 2012 stats on?  That thread should have an index or something. 

[Lusche]

What page are the 2012 stats on?  That thread should have an index or something. 

It starts right on the first, that's what the threat was originally was about. On page for there is a general fighter usage & K/D overview http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,345669.msg4565254.html#msg4565254

[Kingpin]

Why not use the current scoring methods to award a highest score in each plane each tour.  Lots of people could be the highest score every month, just in different planes.  The overall highest score could be left as is, which is usually achieved by using a high percentage of perked planes and gvs.

This idea has some merit. 

It would give more players a chance at being a "top scorer" in something.  In addition, I think you'd likely see a wider variety of fighter types flown in the MA, as players choose more obscure planes to try to be "the best scorer" in it.

Kind of a fun idea, IMO.
+1