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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #105 on: March 10, 2014, 01:47:27 AM »
Good stuff HT, I've got about 120 hours in the PA32-300. They are a real workhorse, and a heck of a hauler. The one I flew had a 1532 pound useful load and a -260 should actually have a little more. I would recommend flying it at the extreme edge of the envelope atleast once (with sandbags or something as ballast) before you load it up with family and friends to go on a trip. It's definitely a different animal when it's loaded up to gross.



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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #106 on: March 10, 2014, 01:53:28 AM »
He knows two other people that landed off airport when the single driveshaft failed.  Totally negating the benefit of a dual ignition system.  There are STC'd true independent magneto systems for the airplane. Worth looking into.

I can't speak to that particular company's maintenance practices but it's something I wouldn't skimp on :)

Enjoy the family truckster it's quite a good airplane.

Does his six have the dual-mag setup? The one I flew didn't, but I'm not familiar with all of them.... I know some of the Saratogas do as does my Mooney....had one of my mags fail the last time I flew it down to Texas (only about 5 hours after they had both been overhauled)

the bad mag had been chucking teeth into the good mag. I wish I had some pictures of it, apparently it was pretty bad. I know a guy that lost both mags in his Mooney in IMC with a 500' OVC. The ATC vectored him to where he thought a very small grass strip was (it wasnt on his scope) and he broke out right on glideslope and landed.
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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #107 on: March 10, 2014, 05:13:48 AM »
At first, I thought you bought the building.  :D

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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #108 on: March 10, 2014, 11:21:42 AM »
Does his six have the dual-mag setup? The one I flew didn't, but I'm not familiar with all of them.... I know some of the Saratogas do as does my Mooney....had one of my mags fail the last time I flew it down to Texas (only about 5 hours after they had both been overhauled)

the bad mag had been chucking teeth into the good mag. I wish I had some pictures of it, apparently it was pretty bad. I know a guy that lost both mags in his Mooney in IMC with a 500' OVC. The ATC vectored him to where he thought a very small grass strip was (it wasnt on his scope) and he broke out right on glideslope and landed.

Doesn't appear to be so.  Most folks see L and R on the key switch and assume 2 independent magnetos when that's not the case.  It is a left and a right magneto but they're not a true dual setup with a common driveshaft as a single point of failure.

An STCd dual setup is a worthwhile investment IMO

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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #109 on: March 10, 2014, 11:46:20 AM »
Doesn't appear to be so.  Most folks see L and R on the key switch and assume 2 independent magnetos when that's not the case.  It is a left and a right magneto but they're not a true dual setup with a common driveshaft as a single point of failure.

An STCd dual setup is a worthwhile investment IMO

I agree wholeheartedly. If I was planning on keeping the Mooney I would do such an upgrade. It's big $$$$ because you need to change out the accessory case, but completely worth it for your family.
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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #110 on: March 13, 2014, 02:17:43 AM »
Cool, you're in the Cherok (she-rock) club now.  Does the PA-32 have the same "innovative" brake fluid reservoir as the smaller 28?  (I think someone at piper had a father-in-law who was a used oil can salesman)

I bet that Korean expansion idea is starting to look as good as a TSIO-550 in that baby, huh, maybe?   :aok   :rock 

PS - I vote no wheelpans, cheroks look better w/o them.
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« Reply #111 on: March 13, 2014, 04:07:03 AM »
Ah that's something good to bring up....I'm 6'1" so I need to see if I'll fit in a -4. I've heard they are a close fit. 
My budget cap would probably be about $45,000. I would use it to commute to and from work. Right now I commute via "plane pool" with a fellow employee in their Lancair 320. It's the perfect plane for it. It's about a 25 minute flight each way. In the end with split costs of fuel, its about 100 bucks a week. Not too shabby. Of course that doesn't count all the other operational expenditures but since it's experimental its easier on the maintenance costs. But Lancair's, even the 230, aren't cheap to come by. Ultimately I want something fast, economical, and fun. I'd love to buy a Pitts S-1, it's easily attainable and high on the fun scale and I could race it in Reno, but low on the economical scale and in between in fast the fast scale. So I've had quite a few people talk about the RV-4. In the starting research I've done so far, it's pretty good all around in speed, economics, and fun. I'm not Mr. Moneybags quite yet so I've got to be a realist and look for the best combination that will fit me best.

I'm 6'5", Never noted any headroom issue in a Cherokee 4, but where it gets you (or me) is the legs.  Not all 4's though, I think the Archers... maybe and a few other variants I've actually been comfortably surprised to fly and operate from the right seat a handful of times (and the left seater in this case wasn't any shorter than you, and thought of this particular 28 as his one of the most comfortable ac).

By single point, I assume your talking about a drive gear that they sit on opposite sides of?

I pulled them both for an over haul. At least Alternator and vacuum pump are very low time (50 hours or so).

Also does anyone know for sure, when switching to the L on the mag test with a key switch, is that grounding the left or right mag?

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Yup, a dual magneto is a single unit mounted to the engine, it houses a single primary winding (driven by a single shaft) that revolves between two independent secondary windings (and thus how they "pass" the dual ignition rule).  Regular single mags and a single unit mounted to the engine with one primary and one secondary winding each, and to comply with the FAA you need two of those.

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Single:



Confirm with Golfer, you're grounding the primary winding in a magneto to safety (cold) it, so "L" on the ignition switch grounds the right mag, "R" position ground the left mag, off grounds both.  This is why the P-lead is so important but not easy to spot a problem with, it is the "P"rimary to ground.  No P-lead = no ground = hot magneto = hot engine. 

Visually inspect P-lead and connections whenever you're near it and/or are working on an engine (much like when in or near the mag switch in the cockpit, give the P-lead a check when under the cowl).  And when disconnecting, disconnect the P-lead last and connect it first, before any leads/harness.

If you have some Bendix magnetos, get these filters you can install on the p-leads (if you don't already), they really help radio quality/issues for relatively cheap (this trick won't work on slicks though).



I still have a bruise on my right knee from Hitech doing his control check in that Cherokee. Being tall sucks.

Next time he comes in to land (or TO) pop the seat rail lock and slide the seat on the rails back past the last lock, gives ya a few more inches if really needed. 

Prepare yourself after he's gotten comfortable with it, expect nose high wheelies on most your landing rollouts.

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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #112 on: March 13, 2014, 04:08:41 AM »
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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #113 on: March 13, 2014, 06:22:37 PM »
I'm 6'5", Never noted any headroom issue in a Cherokee 4, but where it gets you (or me) is the legs.  Not all 4's though, I think the Archers... maybe and a few other variants I've actually been comfortably surprised to fly and operate from the right seat a handful of times (and the left seater in this case wasn't any shorter than you, and thought of this particular 28 as his one of the most comfortable ac).

I'm sorry I should have been more clear on what I was talking about. I was referring to the Vans RV-4. I fit just fine in Piper products. Sorry about the confusion.
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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #114 on: March 20, 2014, 01:52:09 PM »
So Dale.....how does she run?
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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #115 on: March 20, 2014, 04:50:46 PM »
So Dale.....how does she run?

Runs great, but sorting out a radio noise issue.


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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #116 on: March 20, 2014, 08:09:23 PM »
Runs great, but sorting out a radio noise issue.


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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #117 on: March 21, 2014, 12:19:48 AM »
Well now I feel silly predicting Hitech would be moving up to a pink Cessna.  :lol

My younger brother used to have a Piper Warrior. Nice airplane.

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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #118 on: March 21, 2014, 02:52:26 AM »
Runs great, but sorting out a radio noise issue.


HiTech

Could be mags and I'd also recommend to try changing the spark plugs (I would go with tempests)

After I swapped the plugs in my roommates flybaby pretty much all of his radio interference went away.
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Re: I hope to go pick this up tommorow.
« Reply #119 on: March 21, 2014, 04:52:19 AM »
Could be mags and I'd also recommend to try changing the spark plugs (I would go with tempests)

After I swapped the plugs in my roommates flybaby pretty much all of his radio interference went away.

Wouldn't finding sparkers from a Tempest be difficult and expensive? :bolt:
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