50 cal damage upped

[bangsbox]

I set my mk108s convergence at 650! 
(Only one set in 262, the other at 300).

[cobia38]

It doesn't take more than one pass to take out the radar in a P-38 using guns.

ack-ack

 are you using the 20mm allso ? if not i call bs,i cant take out dar in a A-20 with 6 50s in one pass let alone with only 4 50s

[-ammo-]

 are you using the 20mm allso ? if not i call bs,i cant take out dar in a A-20 with 6 50s in one pass let alone with only 4 50s

I can't do it with a jug in one pass (at my preferred convergence).

[Ack-Ack]

 are you using the 20mm allso ? if not i call bs,i cant take out dar in a A-20 with 6 50s in one pass let alone with only 4 50s

.50s.  Aim at the concrete base, not the tower itself and the tower will go down easily.

ack-ack

[Randy1]

.50s.  Aim at the concrete base, not the tower itself and the tower will go down easily.

ack-ack

I tried with the P38 and with canons it took two passes.  Yes I aim at the very base.  Thinking back though it was a shallow dive for a radar run.  I will give it another go. 

Do you use zoom on a lot of your shots Ack-Ack?

[-ammo-]

.50s.  Aim at the concrete base, not the tower itself and the tower will go down easily.

ack-ack

Got film?

[icepac]

Settings for radar are same as for ord bunkers.

If a p51 can strafe them down in one long pass, then the radar can be strafed down in one pass.

You just have to be going slow enough to land the damage required and probably don't have enough gun time on it at typical 500mph field strafing speeds.

At pretty slow speeds, you can take down a radar with 3 passes in a c202......probably two passes for a better shot than me which is almost everybody here.

[Ack-Ack]

I tried with the P38 and with canons it took two passes.  Yes I aim at the very base.  Thinking back though it was a shallow dive for a radar run.  I will give it another go. 

Do you use zoom on a lot of your shots Ack-Ack?

A little zoom for fine aiming.

ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Got film?

Don't know since I don't usually go on mud moving missions, so I'd have to go through a few thousand films to check but I can film the next time I log in. 

One thing I do is that I don't fire in close, I usually open up at around 800 yards and keep firing until my pass is over.  With the nose mounted guns, it's easy to keep fire on target and it's all concentrated.

ack-ack

[bustr]

One thing I do is that I don't fire in close, I usually open up at around 800 yards and keep firing until my pass is over.  With the nose mounted guns, it's easy to keep fire on target and it's all concentrated.

ack-ack

BINGO!!

In ww2 P38 could open up from longer away due to the nose mounted concentrated .50cal.

Wing mounted .50 cal were a complete other discipline. The few short moments at, and just inside of effective range, 1200ft. Dictated the gunnery method for the other AAF fighter planes. At which point your 101Mil ring and flying skills were paramount to take advantage of a very tiny window of opportunity. And why the NAVY was forced by the AAF to route all of their Mark 21 production to the ETO. AAF K14 are all data plate stamped US NAVY Mark 21. The K14A was the first true AAF production gyro gunsight.

These conversations keep themselves alive because people don't want to accept the answer is as simple as the following.

With the hit area adhering to the aircraft's silhouette, and Hitech applying the physics faithfully for the .50 cal right out of the manuals. 1200ft(400yd) is your max effective air to air kill range with the AN\M2 in wing mounted configurations. 600 for the P38. Your convergence set just inside of that allows you to hit at 400 while accounting for closure at speed under 400. If your ACM and piloting skills are not honed to that window at, and just inside of 400, go see a trainer. Or start spending time offline against the drones just before you log into the arenas to tune your sight picture and reflexes.

Your internet connection also includes how good or bad your opponents connection is. In effect it averages your wonderful connection down if his is crapola because you two are a single connection of a sort. Or, your 50 cals start looking like Hitech is robbing you. Hitech cannot control this planet's weather. Skuzzy cannot control all the routers on this planet or the physical connections between them. Half the USA has been swamped in a terrible winter storm. Your 50 cals are showcasing how much that storm has affected our communication infrastructure.     

[LilMak]

LOL!!! Must've been a winter storm since 2007 or whenever I started this game. 50s have been underpowered the whole time.

While the "effective kill range" may be less than 400 yards, the effective range of a M2 Browning easily doubles that. Watching a plane at 600yards turn white with hit sprites and fly away without so much as a leak is an instult to Mr. Browning and one of the most legendary weapons ever fielded.

[ReVo]

LOL!!! Must've been a winter storm since 2007 or whenever I started this game. 50s have been underpowered the whole time.

While the "effective kill range" may be less than 400 yards, the effective range of a M2 Browning easily doubles that. Watching a plane at 600yards turn white with hit sprites and fly away without so much as a leak is an instult to Mr. Browning and one of the most legendary weapons ever fielded.

Maybe you're just a lousy shot? I've had wings, cannons, ailerons, elevators, radiators, oil, etc, etc removed by 50cal fire at 800+ and I have been the victim of god knows how many single ping pilot wounds from 1k.

50cal is just fine. This thread is just another example of peoples hero planes not living up to what the History Channel has told them.

[guncrasher]

Got film?

dude i really hate you, you are making me defend akak.  just like he said open up at 800 and hold your fire.  if I carry rockets I can kill dar and both ammo bunkers with 6 rockets.  or I can use my guns kill both dar and ammo bunkers with 2 passes and use the rockets to vulch.

not like killing dar with just bullets in one pass is a trade secret.


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[LilMak]

Maybe you're just a lousy shot? I've had wings, cannons, ailerons, elevators, radiators, oil, etc, etc removed by 50cal fire at 800+ and I have been the victim of god knows how many single ping pilot wounds from 1k.

50cal is just fine. This thread is just another example of peoples hero planes not living up to what the History Channel has told them.

I'd buy the lousy shot thing if it wasn't actually HITTING my target. And not just little pings. I'm talking about long bursts landing and lighting up the whole plane from spinner to rudder.

The History Channel isn't where i get my information from. My experience (as far as the actual weapon goes) is first hand. I've hauled it, cleaned it, and fired it on several different occasions. I've seen the results with my own eyes.

[ReVo]

I'd buy the lousy shot thing if it wasn't actually HITTING my target. And not just little pings. I'm talking about long bursts landing and lighting up the whole plane from spinner to rudder.

The History Channel isn't where i get my information from. My experience (as far as the actual weapon goes) is first hand. I've hauled it, cleaned it, and fired it on several different occasions. I've seen the results with my own eyes.

Lets assume for a moment that 50 cal damage is not accurately modeled in Aces High.

Hans Joachim Marseille averaged something like two or three 20mm rounds for every kill. Now! In Aces High you'd be lucky to even tickle most aircraft with three 20mm's. So if you want 50 caliber damage increased I would like my 20mm's upped too please.