TU-2S, the best Bomber in the game.

[Lusche]

Also, I'm curious how you came up with 2350 lb of damage for the 4000lb cookie.  I have max damage at 2343 lbs.. 

I wrote "about 2350"

Have you tested bombing accuracy with the HC bombs, namely the British cookie?

No, never had any reaso to do so as my practical experience mirrors yours - Accuracy is no issue in AH.

[PJ_Godzilla]

I wrote "about 2350"

No, never had any reaso to do so as my practical experience mirrors yours - Accuracy is no issue in AH.

Meaning: it was an estimate, as opposed to an exactamate. We have similar problems teaching vehicle programs how to do their planning. Engineer types ( I'm not criticizing from the outside but rather as one who practiced for a couple of decades) don't like anything fuzzy.

[Widewing]

Have you tested bombing accuracy with the HC bombs, namely the British cookie?  I'm not so sure the cookie is as "accurate" as say a typical finned bomb.  Though I have not actually tested this I wonder if HTC has modeled a larger variable in the flight path of the 4000 lb cookie.  Just paying attention while I do drops vs factories I have not noticed any difference.  

The answer to this question as it pertains to the real world "Cookie" can be found here...

http://www.wwiiequipment.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=107:4000lb-high-capacity-bomb&catid=43:bombs&Itemid=60

[Rich46yo]

The B17 is a great Bomber but I personally believe the TU-2 is more capable of performing the mission. And that mission is putting a lot of ords on target quickly and getting the hell out of there. The exception is when you have a box of 17s that can defend themselves better. Even there I'd like to get 6 or 7 good Bomber Pilots in TU2S, in a box, and let that 50 mph speed advantage do the talking and defending. Together their lesser gun packages will cover themselves fine and their speed will make it much harder to fighters to set up good passes on them. A few Yaks and LAs will give plenty of cover It worked in '44 and it will work now. We need more imagination with our Bomber missions.

Fighters find it easy to hover over a 17, or a Ronson Lighter, until right before the drop. And then you have to chose whether to fight or drop. THAT is much harder against TUs. IF they can even get into position at all.

Even At 8k your talking like a 70mph speed advantage over 17s and almost double the rate of climb. Taking off from a nearby base your just not giving the enemy time to react. 6 TUs will shut down any base and take down any town with the 2X4 package. A few Yaks and LAs will provide plenty of escort. After the bombs drop the TUs can use their cannon. We need more imagination with Bomber missions. With TUs imagine the speed and climb of a heavy Jabo but with 7 times the ords delivered.

Yes Im a TU2S Dweeb. Proudly so.

[SmokinLoon]

The B17 is a great Bomber but I personally believe the TU-2 is more capable of performing the mission. And that mission is putting a lot of ords on target quickly and getting the hell out of there. The exception is when you have a box of 17s that can defend themselves better. Even there I'd like to get 6 or 7 good Bomber Pilots in TU2S, in a box, and let that 50 mph speed advantage do the talking and defending. Together their lesser gun packages will cover themselves fine and their speed will make it much harder to fighters to set up good passes on them. A few Yaks and LAs will give plenty of cover It worked in '44 and it will work now. We need more imagination with our Bomber missions.

Fighters find it easy to hover over a 17, or a Ronson Lighter, until right before the drop. And then you have to chose whether to fight or drop. THAT is much harder against TUs. IF they can even get into position at all.

Even At 8k your talking like a 70mph speed advantage over 17s and almost double the rate of climb. Taking off from a nearby base your just not giving the enemy time to react. 6 TUs will shut down any base and take down any town with the 2X4 package. A few Yaks and LAs will provide plenty of escort. After the bombs drop the TUs can use their cannon. We need more imagination with Bomber missions. With TUs imagine the speed and climb of a heavy Jabo but with 7 times the ords delivered.

Yes Im a TU2S Dweeb. Proudly so.

I'm glad you enjoy the Tu-2, it is indeed a good bomber/attack aircraft without a doubt. However, you're still comparing an apple to an orange to a banana.  Pick your bomber based on what you what to accomplish and what time frame you want it accomplished in. There are bombers that are faster.  There are bombers that carry more ord.  There are bombers that are better defensively.  There are bombers that have a name that don't sound like a little girl's dance costume.  In any case, enjoy and remember only the Sith deal in absolutes.   

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well since b17s can dive at 525 mph in AH in formation I would say i rather meet tu2s doing stunts than 525mph B17s with blazing gun

[Widewing]

Last evening, I took a single Tu-2S loaded with three 1,000 kilo bombs to kill a Knit airfield VH that was flooding our Port with tanks. The Knits kept dropping the VH at the port, giving them a big edge. Time to feed them their own medicine. I climbed to 18,500 feet. Arriving at the Knit field, I found one ordnance bunker and the VH up. I dropped the VH on the first pass, and the ordnance on the second pass. I nosed over and dropped to 16,500 feet to take advantage of the tail wind. A P-38 was on a reciprocal heading at about 12k. I was doing about 361 mph ground speed. The P-38 climbed up, but fell hopelessly behind quickly. Later, a Bf 110G was a bit higher (about 14k) and he tried to climb up and gain on me, but the 110G is only marginally faster at that height. He fell well behind too. If not, I was prepared to do a high reverse and shoot it down. But, the 110 was unable to keep up. I made it home without incident. That little single bomber raid reversed the fight for the port.

[XxDaSTaRxx]

well since b17s can dive at 525 mph in AH in formation I would say i rather meet tu2s doing stunts than 525mph B17s with blazing gun

I've never pushed my B-17G past 380 in a dive. I've tried too.

I've put her into really steep dives before.

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Im not a bomber guy, it was a thread about this recently.

I've never pushed my B-17G past 380 in a dive. I've tried too.

I've put her into really steep dives before.

[Rich46yo]

Last evening, I took a single Tu-2S loaded with three 1,000 kilo bombs to kill a Knit airfield VH that was flooding our Port with tanks. The Knits kept dropping the VH at the port, giving them a big edge. Time to feed them their own medicine. I climbed to 18,500 feet. Arriving at the Knit field, I found one ordnance bunker and the VH up. I dropped the VH on the first pass, and the ordnance on the second pass

I made it home without incident. That little single bomber raid reversed the fight for the port.

And that is exactly my point. The TU2S is a game changer whatever its faults may be. For me its one fault is shooting out its rear end. I cripple almost everything that comes at me, often fighting them off, but also often dieing. The thing is it happens almost every time AFTER I accomplish my mission due to the speed of the airplane and the routes i take to the target.

Last night in TU2S I stayed ahead of our offensive, which was a mix of NOE, GV, and standard base grabs. With the 2 X 4 bombload I was given different assignments at both target and peripheral enemy bases to attack VHs, ords, hangars, or towns. With such a fast climb to 10k and delivering such a powerful punch at 310 mph my Bombers were able to support the offensive and get to assignments quickly. RTB'ing quickly. Getting back into the fight quickly.

I suppose I could sum the airplane up, and in doing so I am NOT putting down the faves of others, as a system that has an inordinately large impact on the game when used correctly. One guy in 3 TUs can make a big difference.

[XxDaSTaRxx]

Im not a bomber guy, it was a thread about this recently.

Was it The one where the B-17s were pushing 525, posted by snailman? Must have been a bug. The b-17s top speed in game is around 400 mph.

[LCADolby]

He111s are prettier 

[Hoplite]

He111s are prettier 

Yep.    And far far easier to kill....they look even prettier when they burn. 

[jeffdn]

Was it The one where the B-17s were pushing 525, posted by snailman? Must have been a bug. The b-17s top speed in game is around 400 mph.

It's not a bug. At high altitude, B-17s in a shallow dive can get up to over 500mph TAS. They can go so fast that Me-163s have trouble keeping up with them without compressing.

[Karnak]

It's not a bug. At high altitude, B-17s in a shallow dive can get up to over 500mph TAS. They can go so fast that Me-163s have trouble keeping up with them without compressing.

That sounds like a bug.

Why do you think B-17s had that capability?