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Offline Arlo

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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #420 on: March 23, 2014, 12:32:47 AM »
:huh

I didn't buy it. It was posted to Sierra Hotel Aeronautics on facebook. Just sharing the ignorance brother.

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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #421 on: March 23, 2014, 12:34:09 AM »
That is absolutely unequivocally complete and utter nonsense.

Not to mention not true, too.

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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #422 on: March 23, 2014, 12:36:03 AM »
Search in Flight Mechanik Forums the Aircraft had Antenna socket Problems
The most say:
1-The antenna socket gave away
2-The Cabin presure fall down
3-Pilots try to turn Back
4-Pilots falled asleep cause of no Oxygen
5-Passengers falled asleep after 12 minutes
6-Cabin crew with Oxygen Bottles falled 20 minutes after Cabin pressure Asleep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWJzgljoJ7A

1: How big would the hole be when the socket gave way? 2 inches (5 cm)? I doubt it would even be attached to the pressure bulkhead, and if it was, what sort of rate of depresurization would it cause? 50 feet per minute? 500fpm? 1500?

2: At 1500 fpm (I very much doubt it) the cabin altitude would start at 7000 feet,  it would take 5 full minutes to reach the alert threshold of 14000'. Your ears would hurt with the change, i.e you would notice. First thing you, as a pilot would do is put on your "quick donning mask". If they were caught unaware for some reason they have another 5-7 minutes at least before the cabin reached the cruise altitude of 35000. At 35k you still have 30 seconds of consciousness. No chance of them NOT putting on their masks with in that 10 minute time frame. Second thing they would do would execute an emergency descent to 10000 feet, which at 6000 fpm would have them at that level within 4 minutes. IF they became unconcious during the descent the aeroplane would level off at 10k on autopilot, or plunge straight into the ocean.

3 ok,
4: see  2:
5: ok
6: And what would the F.A do for 20 mins? Nothing? They can access the cockpit, help the pilots, use the radio. Or the Satcom phone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_useful_consciousness

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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #423 on: March 23, 2014, 01:13:03 AM »
Search in Flight Mechanik Forums the Aircraft had Antenna socket Problems

The most say:
-The antenna socket gave away
-The Cabin presure fall down
-Pilots try to turn Back
-Pilots falled asleep cause of no Oxygen
-Passengers falled asleep after 12 minutes
-Cabin crew with Oxygen Bottles falled 20 minutes after Cabin pressure Asleep
-The plane travel till fuel out and fall down like a Stone.



AND JUST CAME in CNN there are no Oxygenmasks in 777 Flight Training Simulators!
They never Train puting Oxygen Masks on.

REMEMBER Flight Helios

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWJzgljoJ7A


Think Tassos was speaking to the FAA AD for the SAT COMM antenna mount on the crown of the fuselage, Some 777s have this mount in a particular location which is subject to the AD, the AD warns of cracking at the mount in the fuselage skin, possibly causing decompression and all that follows, although it was established that this particular 777 was not subject to that AD, it was a good theory up to that point. Antenna options come in many forms for the aircraft when you buy it, there are many configurations to antenna and layout.
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #424 on: March 23, 2014, 01:51:19 AM »

Think Tassos was speaking to the FAA AD for the SAT COMM antenna mount on the crown of the fuselage, Some 777s have this mount in a particular location which is subject to the AD, the AD warns of cracking at the mount in the fuselage skin, possibly causing decompression and all that follows, although it was established that this particular 777 was not subject to that AD, it was a good theory up to that point. Antenna options come in many forms for the aircraft when you buy it, there are many configurations to antenna and layout.

I dont disagree, but would it lead to an explosive decompression? Thats my point,  if it did in the worst possible scenario, they'd have 30seconds to put their masks on, which is enough.
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #425 on: March 23, 2014, 03:45:14 AM »
I dont disagree, but would it lead to an explosive decompression? Thats my point,  if it did in the worst possible scenario, they'd have 30seconds to put their masks on, which is enough.

The FAA bulletin actually mentions that the hull breach can lead even to mid-air breakup of the entire plane.
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #426 on: March 23, 2014, 06:12:29 AM »
The FAA bulletin actually mentions that the hull breach can lead even to mid-air breakup of the entire plane.

Fair point,  however it is obvious that it didn't break up.
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #427 on: March 23, 2014, 12:39:43 PM »
I .... believe you. I also somewhat believe you've never shopped in an American grocery store.

Actually I shop in one about once a week for groceries. I just happen to ignore the hot sheets. This, however, came across my FB news feed which I found to be pathetic and infuriating all at once. 239 people are dead and some other human being thinks of it as nothing more than a good opportunity to sell more copies of a worthless tabloid. It is a fine gauge of the degradation of our species as a whole.

Back in December of 1941, I don't think any news stand was peddling a worthless paper proclaiming aliens assisted the Japanese in taking down the mighty American Pacific Fleet or that Yamamoto was actually Teddy Roosevelt's secret love child who was hell bent on revenge.

21st Century media is 90% garbage that we have to filter through to find the real truth and what is really worth our effort to watch and read.
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Flight 370 "ended in Indian Ocean"
« Reply #428 on: March 24, 2014, 09:35:56 AM »
Malaysian PM press conference states that beyond a reasonable doubt, flight 370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.

Hopefully they can recover the black box and shed some light as to 'why'

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Re: Flight 370 "ended in Indian Ocean"
« Reply #429 on: March 24, 2014, 09:49:42 AM »
CNN is anoucing that the Malasian goverment has told the families all lives were lost.


   As much as I didnt want to hear that the plane was being held somewhere,I think I would have rather heard that than the news we are getting today.  Someone dropped the ball and heads should roll!



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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #430 on: March 24, 2014, 10:21:07 AM »
Malaysian government has told the families "All lives were lost". "No survivors, Flight MH370 'ended' in Indian Ocean"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/24/missing-malaysia-jetliner/6814799/
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Re: Flight 370 "ended in Indian Ocean"
« Reply #431 on: March 24, 2014, 10:48:34 AM »
Someone dropped the ball and heads should roll!

Way too early to point fingers (or executioner's axe). We may never learn what happened.
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #432 on: March 24, 2014, 12:24:41 PM »
if the plane flew for 5 hours after turning from malaysia, the back box would have overwritten data from any maneuvers, controls, and coms when the plane deviated from its flight path?  :headscratch:

Thus the recorders would only have info from the tail end of the flight.

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« Reply #433 on: March 24, 2014, 12:33:20 PM »
If it was an electrical issue/fire the box may have stopped at that time.
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Re: Flight 370 "ended in Indian Ocean"
« Reply #434 on: March 24, 2014, 12:45:57 PM »
Way too early to point fingers (or executioner's axe). We may never learn what happened.

  It's not too early to aim right at the Malaysian government,nothing has been confirmed as of yet and they announce to the families this..... :rolleyes:


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