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« Reply #210 on: March 15, 2014, 12:43:47 PM »
Cell phones or internet wifi don't work on aircraft unless relayed through the aircraft's onboard systems, or flying really low over urban areas.
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« Reply #211 on: March 15, 2014, 12:56:37 PM »
Even one of the flight crew can't switch off a transponder.

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The transponders can be switched off with a flick of a switch. But modern planes like the 777 have two other systems as well: cockpit radios and a text-based system known as aircraft communications addressing and reporting system, or ACARS, which can be used to send messages or information about the plane... Turning off the radios and ACARS would be more difficult. NPR's Geoff Brumfiel spoke with commercial pilots, including two who have flown Boeing 777s similar to the jet that vanished with 239 people aboard. He says the pilots tell him that those systems are "pretty hard-wired into a modern aircraft


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/14/290255899/boeing-777-pilots-its-not-easy-to-disable-onboard-communications
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #212 on: March 15, 2014, 01:02:12 PM »


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/14/290255899/boeing-777-pilots-its-not-easy-to-disable-onboard-communications

I stand corrected. Never-the-less:

"The misnomer is if you turn off the transponder you turn off everything. That's not true. You still have a blip on the radar screen that comes from ground-based radar. You can never turn that off," Aimer said.

The jet would continue to show up on a radar screen if the aircraft were within range of a radar station, a distance that can extend several hundred miles, depending on the terrain and the plane's altitude, said Brent Spencer, air traffic control program director at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University's Prescott, Ariz., campus.

"It's possible to track an aircraft without a transponder with just raw radar, but it's much more difficult," Spencer said.

And if an airplane flew too low to be picked up by radar, controllers wouldn't have any information about the flight, Spencer added.

Aimer said modern airplanes like the 777 also have maintenance and engine monitoring systems that keep track of such things as engine temperature and can send messages back to the airline's base.

A U.S. official said Friday in Washington that investigators are examining the possibility of "human intervention" in the plane's disappearance. The official, who wasn't authorized to talk to the media and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the transponder stopped about a dozen minutes before the messaging system on the jet quit. Such a gap would be unlikely in the case of an in-flight catastrophe.

Malaysia Airlines didn't subscribe to that messaging service, but the plane still had the capability to connect with the satellite and was automatically sending signals, or pings, the official said.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/14/290255899/boeing-777-pilots-its-not-easy-to-disable-onboard-communications

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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #213 on: March 15, 2014, 01:17:43 PM »
I stand corrected. Never-the-less:

"The misnomer is if you turn off the transponder you turn off everything. That's not true. You still have a blip on the radar screen that comes from ground-based radar. You can never turn that off," Aimer said.

The jet would continue to show up on a radar screen if the aircraft were within range of a radar station, a distance that can extend several hundred miles, depending on the terrain and the plane's altitude, said Brent Spencer, air traffic control program director at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University's Prescott, Ariz., campus.

"It's possible to track an aircraft without a transponder with just raw radar, but it's much more difficult," Spencer said.

And if an airplane flew too low to be picked up by radar, controllers wouldn't have any information about the flight, Spencer added.

Aimer said modern airplanes like the 777 also have maintenance and engine monitoring systems that keep track of such things as engine temperature and can send messages back to the airline's base.

A U.S. official said Friday in Washington that investigators are examining the possibility of "human intervention" in the plane's disappearance. The official, who wasn't authorized to talk to the media and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the transponder stopped about a dozen minutes before the messaging system on the jet quit. Such a gap would be unlikely in the case of an in-flight catastrophe.

Malaysia Airlines didn't subscribe to that messaging service, but the plane still had the capability to connect with the satellite and was automatically sending signals, or pings, the official said.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/14/290255899/boeing-777-pilots-its-not-easy-to-disable-onboard-communications

Someone needed a couple of minutes to find the right fuze to disable the automatic messaging systems. However that person probably wasn't aware that the Rolls Royce maintenance system was still pinging the satellite despite the fact that the airline did not subscribe to that service. This requires intimate knowledge of the aircraft.
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #214 on: March 15, 2014, 02:30:59 PM »
My bet, it's in the Gobi Desert under camouflage and we'll hear from the hijackers soon with ransom demands.
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #215 on: March 15, 2014, 03:17:20 PM »
After the communication devices are disabled how would a pilot be able to navigate the plane?  I assume if the pilot understood how to avoid radar detection, he would need some precise navigation to make his destination undetected in the dark.
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« Reply #216 on: March 15, 2014, 03:35:42 PM »
After the communication devices are disabled how would a pilot be able to navigate the plane?  I assume if the pilot understood how to avoid radar detection, he would need some precise navigation to make his destination undetected in the dark.
Easy, he'd use the GPS and the Inertial Navigation System.  GPS is a one-way satellite receiver and INS is self-contained and neither system transmits.  It's interesting that the radar contact that the Malaysian military was following flew directly over two navigation fixes on its way up through the center of the Strait of Malacca which indicates the pilot knew exactly where he was and where he was going.
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #217 on: March 15, 2014, 04:21:06 PM »
My bet, it's in the Gobi Desert under camouflage and we'll hear from the hijackers soon with ransom demands.

It's been a week already. They're on the bottom of the sea...
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« Reply #218 on: March 15, 2014, 04:48:01 PM »
Something happened to one of its engines.  An oil rig worker saw flames come out of one of the engines for 10-15 seconds.  Do jet engines produce visible flames when they flame out?  What would have caused this?  Is it possible for the flight crew to destroy an engine or engines if they knew they were being hijacked?
That was discredited.  Read this:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other-asian-australian-south-pacific-airlines/1558464-frequently-asked-questions-about-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-a-295.html
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« Reply #219 on: March 15, 2014, 04:52:57 PM »
It's been a week already. They're on the bottom of the sea...

Agreed.  No one is going to keep & feed almost 300 hostages without immediately sending out a "Show me the money!"
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« Reply #220 on: March 15, 2014, 05:10:09 PM »
Agreed.  No one is going to keep & feed almost 300 hostages without immediately sending out a "Show me the money!"
Sadly true.  The question is where on the bottom?
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« Reply #221 on: March 15, 2014, 05:24:48 PM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26591056

This talk is about satellite data suggesting it went to antartica or Kazakhstan.

Also, reports of communication systems being lost before being off the east cost of malaysia.  :noid ahhh 34% odds the crew was happily involved and 68% odds ALIENS
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #222 on: March 15, 2014, 05:42:15 PM »
My bet, it's in the Gobi Desert under camouflage and we'll hear from the hijackers soon with ransom demands.


   This was my thought also except I dont think ransom is the motive or we would have heard something by now!  I'm afraid they may have much more serious plans than ransom. All you need is some old medical equipment and to explode the A/C over your intended target area.

  Then again we're looking for an excuse to get the industrial military oven up and cooking!


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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #223 on: March 15, 2014, 06:11:03 PM »
it would be hard to have hostages if they all are dead from lack of oxygen.

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« Reply #224 on: March 15, 2014, 06:25:59 PM »

   This was my thought also except I dont think ransom is the motive or we would have heard something by now!  I'm afraid they may have much more serious plans than ransom. All you need is some old medical equipment and to explode the A/C over your intended target area.

  Then again we're looking for an excuse to get the industrial military oven up and cooking!


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Agree.
The scary thought is why a nation state would do this.
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