The decline of ACM in the MA. (flim)

[FLOOB]

Something that I'm seeing more and more often as the years pass. In one sortie I witnessed two pilots using flip-flop-I-hope-this-makes-me-invisible "maneuvers".  They both have been playing aces high long enough to know better. It felt like a scene from COPS where they're chasing a shirtless meth head, who believes himself to have the power of invisibility, through a trailer park. Do these moves ever achieve anything other than making the perpetrator look like an idiot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03cikbeKnFI

[NatCigg]

 

 

[Latrobe]

Do these moves ever achieve anything other than making the perpetrator look like an idiot?

No.

But it's ok because we have to do whatever it takes to WIN THE WAR and get those 25 perkies! 

I have two films, of the same person, where I chase him around for 20 minutes until he runs our fuel or I get bored and leave. They are quite painful to watch.

[NatCigg]

its best to stay low and kill everyone.  if he runs, give him your 6.  if he climbs, dive.    with time someone will die.    someone go get more wood its getting cold in here.    Ah yes my chair and whiskey.   

[Nath[BDP]]

i use that first move all the time.  i call it the death spiral.  

[hgtonyvi]

That happens to me often. When they do that just cut throttle and stay behind them. It might get very annoying and might cost u a lot of bullets but eventually they will go down.

[Latrobe]

That happens to me often. When they do that just cut throttle and stay behind them. It might get very annoying and might cost u a lot of bullets but eventually they will go down.

That's what I do as well. Sometime I'll hold my fire and just let them crash themselves into the earth. A few of them have called me rude names afterwards. 

[FLOOB]

No don't chop throttle, just use fundamentals like I did in the video and shoot them.

[Skyyr]

They don't look stupid or like idiots, they look like pilots performing evasive maneuvers without the understanding that it will effect their overall energy state and maneuvering options the second they exit the maneuver.

Further, they're simply doing a maneuver that I dare say would probably work against half of the people they encounter. While being able to kill them, a majority of the other half would probably end up putting themselves in a bad position just to shoot them down (and some would kill themselves in the process).

It's not as bad as you make it appear.

[FLOOB]

Except that it's so commonplace in the MA now that even veteran players like the ones in the video think that's it's the way to fight. Which brings us back to the title of this thread.

[BnZs]

Those are far from the gamiest maneuvers I've seen in the arena, especially the snap roll.

The only thing I consider completely unrealistic is the "porpoise", the rapid exchange of high positive and negative Gs. I don't think anyone could stand to keep this up for long.

That said, I'll hone to having trouble with maneuvers like this. When people fly smooth "good" ACM, I can often get guns or counter their maneuver. When they do something like this, I have real trouble. I've found guys simply rolling left and right rapidly while 400-200 out impossible to kill without running out of ammo. I don't know why.

[Skyyr]

Except that it's so commonplace in the MA now that even veteran players like the ones in the video think that's it's the way to fight. Which brings us back to the title of this thread.

If it's so terrible because it doesn't work and so widespread that it's prevalent, then there would be no complaint because even barely-decent pilots would be landing numerous kills per sortie.

You're saying it's an easy kill and then complaining about it. That doesn't pass the litmus test for a widespread gaming problem.

We should instead label this thread as "the decline of spelling."

[Dragon]

Re: The decline of ACM in the MA. (flim)


Whatever, I made it as far as flim.

[Aspen]

If real WWII planes and pilots were capable of what AH planes and pilots are, the ACM manuals from the 40's would read a lot differently.   The "Oh $&^%" move might even have a chapter.

[BnZs]

If real WWII planes and pilots were capable of what AH planes and pilots are, the ACM manuals from the 40's would read a lot differently.   The "Oh $&^%" move might even have a chapter.

I'm fairly certain the snap-roll and the SINGLE hard negative G pushover ("bunt") were known evasives