The decline of ACM in the MA. (flim)

[BluBerry]

I saw sawzaw do such moves as in the film, I laughed so hard I augered.

 

[Karnak]

Hyperbolic types on this forum make anyone with real concerns about FM look bad by association.

True, and there have been and are legitimate FM concerns.  Just nothing as blatant as the "The A6M/Brewster/Spitfire did a hard 180 degree turn and ran down my Fw190D-9 that was going 500mph!!!" absurdities.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

As far Floob's concern, those accelerated stalls rolls manoeuvers work especially when timed right. And u were much faster, they are even worse for me in P47s where I dont have much acceleration or turning. You catch up on a Spit, about to shoot and there it goes flipwarping all over my windshield. Right after you overshoot he's right there even usually able to follow you as if he didnt loose enegergy.

The worst are the 190 drivers, A5s and D9s ... oh my between their rollrate and internet lag takes a lot of tries to nail them as they are running to their ack.

I see it as a legetimate evasive manoeuver, but Im not quite sure that it's realife counter part would not leave way way way slow, definitely not like in here in Spits able to be right back in your six.  

And Karnak i agree with you too. Planes, especially the light ones, seem to be able to yank hard without loosing energy. Doing 450 level passing a Spit8 HO to see him loop around and settle 1000y in your 6 is intriguing


You want to really save ACM in AH2 and bring back dogfighting? Tone down the dam AAA or at least don't give the kill to whoever is next to you. Treat autoack as a player and say 'Autoack killed Frenchy'. Maybe then you'll start seing fights again not mostly base defenders taking off in late war monsters only to dive down in their ack when loosing a 1 on 1 versus a dam P47 D25.

[Hoplite]

The ones I see complaining the most about stuff like this (not FLOOB, who isn't complaining) are the players who want DA-like rules over player actions in the MA e.g. any front quarter shot is a HO or cheap shot, "come down in the moshpit and fight me", "oh I see you have a k/d over 1 so you must be a scoretard wuss or avoiding combat"

Etc etc etc.

Blah blah blah. 

Ad infinitum.

Ad nauseam.

It's a last ditch maneuver.  It will likely just postpone the inevitable unless help arrives or you have some alt to burn and can extend away.  If your on someones six who does it, go high (if you have the E), reset the fight and guess what?   You will still kill him/her/it.....which I believe is what FLOOB did.

[glzsqd]

Move like that can also cause your opponent to lose track of you all together, fly icons off with a buddy and you'll see what I mean.

[Bear76]

I saw sawzaw do such moves as in the film, I laughed so hard I augered.

I PM'd him once asking if he was just having a stroke, he said no that was ACM. I ran into a tree because I was laughing so hard.

[zack1234]

One guy did crazy things to get away from my Yak9T 15k down to his base and i my cannon still mashed him

Proving i awesome

[bozon]

The real problem with these moves are network limitations combined with how the FM of some planes behave in these conditions.

Regarding the network, the problem is that this flip-flop creates microwarps because the interpolation till the next network packet arrives is very inaccurate. This is the cause of the typical microwarp of a plane flying straight and then make a sudden pull. On the remote FE he is suddently pointing up without passing through the angles in between. Especially in small quick planes line 190s, yak3 and Brewster this is very annoying. The issue becomes more sever as network round trip (ping times) increase.

Regarding the FM, as Frenchy pointed out, some plane can be thrown into what appears as total loss of controlled flight and recover at will, in an instant, with little adverse effect. In other planes, the only way to regain controlled flight is to point the nose down, pick up some speed and then pull out smoothly.

[Randy1]

  . . .This is the cause of the typical microwarp of a plane flying straight and then make a sudden pull. On the remote FE he is suddently pointing up without passing through the angles in between. Especially in small quick planes line 190s, yak3 and Brewster this is very annoying. The issue becomes more sever as network round trip (ping times) increase. . . .

And the Mustang seems to very apt to this as well. 

 

[Nath[BDP]]

The real problem with these moves are network limitations combined with how the FM of some planes behave in these conditions.

Regarding the network, the problem is that this flip-flop creates microwarps because the interpolation till the next network packet arrives is very inaccurate. This is the cause of the typical microwarp of a plane flying straight and then make a sudden pull. On the remote FE he is suddently pointing up without passing through the angles in between. Especially in small quick planes line 190s, yak3 and Brewster this is very annoying. The issue becomes more sever as network round trip (ping times) increase.

This is always frustrating.  Yak3s seem the worst

[Shifty]

I don't even know how to spell ACM. 

[RotBaron]

I don't even know how to spell ACM. 

what is amc? can i flim the psit?

[Puma44]

I don't even know how to spell ACM. 

[FLOOB]

When I saw the ki84 spazzing out I heard "I'M WEARING BOOTS OF ESCAPING!" in my mind's ear. If you don't know what I'm referring to video google it, it's worth it.

"I can turn invisible if I really try hard." -Neal Diamond

as portrayed by Will Ferrell.

[DmonSlyr]

looks to me like they just stalled as hard as they could with their eyes closed and hoped for the best. I give them props for evading the initial pass. Had higher enemies come from higher to save the poor fellow, Floob could have got picked himself, leaving the other guy still alive. They were obviously new. A lot of people have a hard time in the defense position, that's why you see so many runners and 190s, they avoid any type of defense conflict. If you notice, generally 190s will do the same floppy tactics when you get a good lead on their 6. The guys in this film didn't know what they were doing, yes lack of ACM for sure, but I know for a fact you did the same thing when you were learning this game.