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Offline morfiend

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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #135 on: April 11, 2014, 03:54:29 PM »
"Said Trainer" ?

Are you talking about Morfiend ?

Son, you better back that truck up and unload that BS.

I can't imagine anything like that happening unless you really did have a bad attitude.  Morf is more patient and forgiving than anyone I have seen.  A N Y O N E

Yeah, it does not happen often, but your post pissed me off.


  I was said trainer!   And yes I refused to help said player because he copped an attitude about some constructive critism. I tried to politely tell him doing the dolphin waste's E. He didnt understand what I meant by dolphin so I said it was a polite way of describing stick stiring.

   When anyone puts words in my mouth I didnt say or claims things that I didnt do well I reserve the right to refuse to help.

  I dont get paid for my time and most know I do whatever I can to help but I'm not a baby sitter and if you act like a child I will treat you as such. Said player is lucky I didnt eject or mute him but then I dont tend to abuse my powers in the TA.


   Incase said player would like to refute what I just said I know several other player who were there that can verify things,however I dont think I need to justify my position.



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Offline danny76

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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #136 on: April 11, 2014, 04:06:39 PM »
 :salute Morfiend

You must acknowledge I was being defensive of trainers and not critical.

If you have the time sometime, maybe you wouldn't mind giving me a few pointers  :aok

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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #137 on: April 11, 2014, 04:15:18 PM »
 To 'change-up' discussion a bit....I actually 'practised' alot off line..so much so I burned up my 2 weeks before even logging into online arenas.HTC could post some of my early(as Groth) emails where I was off deep end on how tough it was to 'make damn game' work. They were(and remain) very patient with me.
 My 1st squad was great bunch...who when an update happened all quit the game, leaving me only member...w/no invite priveleges...so I than flew solo a while. My invite to present squad came on ol' Big Pizza map..as I watch same country fighter chasing red dot and asked on green if he waanted a hand..he didn't need it, dispatching the red handly. But he and his wingman asked me to join, sent invite. But squad ever.
 As to 'helping newbs'..I will always help ..unless and until they ignore advice and keep screaming for help....then, they on their own.
 I also do this in RL, and am involved in charities were I share my decades of knowledge in my field w/anyone with slightest polite leanings.
 I seriously doubt Mr 'FORK2' was reasonably polite.
 Just my opinion..take it or leave it. But I stand behind it.
 Kill the game? Too many times I've seen newbs taken under wing of others. TOO MANY TIMES. Mr Fork may need to step back, check himself.
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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #138 on: April 11, 2014, 04:16:17 PM »
 Danny,


  I only saw your post as positive,no worries my friend!   I'm usually in the TA during the week between 9pm and 11pm eastern,I'm rarely on on weekends but have been know to show up the odd Sunday night.

 Please feel free to drop by and just ask for some help.  I prefer to setup appointments but either way is fine.  



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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #139 on: April 11, 2014, 04:18:49 PM »
Appreciated. I shall be bothering you sometime soon
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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #140 on: April 11, 2014, 04:24:57 PM »
See Rule #4 (this is absolutely not constructive)
« Last Edit: April 11, 2014, 04:41:46 PM by Skuzzy »
only a moron would use Dolby positioning in a game.
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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #141 on: April 11, 2014, 04:29:25 PM »

  I was said trainer!   And yes I refused to help said player because he copped an attitude about some constructive critism. I tried to politely tell him doing the dolphin waste's E. He didnt understand what I meant by dolphin so I said it was a polite way of describing stick stiring.

   When anyone puts words in my mouth I didnt say or claims things that I didnt do well I reserve the right to refuse to help.

  I dont get paid for my time and most know I do whatever I can to help but I'm not a baby sitter and if you act like a child I will treat you as such. Said player is lucky I didnt eject or mute him but then I dont tend to abuse my powers in the TA.


   Incase said player would like to refute what I just said I know several other player who were there that can verify things,however I dont think I need to justify my position.



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As a BBS parolee, Olds442 has manged to annoy both Skuzzy and Morfiend. That takes genuine effort. When I was a trainer, I would allow only so much attitude, then it was goodbye time. trainer's are volunteers. They are people who love the game and contribute their time freely. If you step on their crank, it tells me that you have a real lack of courtesy. Fix that....

Even though I have retired from training, I would would set aside time to assist Olds442. However, if I get an attitude, I'll beat him like a drum.... There's nothing quite as humbling as a complete beat down for those who think there's room in the TA for egos. There isn't. Not so much as a millimeter of it. Once we establish that the trainee has flaws, it's easy to correct them. God knows, several trainers spent many hours teaching me, and I'll always be grateful to them for that. If you want to learn, you show up hat in hand and be gracious. Guy's like Morfiend could be having fun the MA. Instead, they spend much of their time giving to others. Give them the courtesy and respect they have earned and deserve.
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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #142 on: April 11, 2014, 04:33:34 PM »
So someone has attitude when ever they disagree with you?

Then lets not forgot after it all had settled down you still kept trying to initiate something on range VOX?

You piss a guy off and assume he isn't going to express his being annoyed? There's nothing you can say that I would accept. I've known Morf for a very long time, and he's a gentleman first and foremost.
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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #143 on: April 11, 2014, 04:40:14 PM »
Last thing im going to say, there was another player in the TA at the time who also wanted to see said move but then went of to play WOT. This is how we loose players, which was proven as that player went to go play another game because of what was happening in the TA.

I am NOT trying to say that ALL trainers act in this manner and most of them I have had a good experience with.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2014, 05:01:35 PM by olds442 »
only a moron would use Dolby positioning in a game.
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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #144 on: April 11, 2014, 05:09:17 PM »
The problem with that (if it is a problem from your perspective) is that limited realism arenas dominate when they are an option and that is followed by people going where the numbers are.  You end up with a heavily populated limited realism arena and a nearly empty full realism arena.

That is fine and all, but it would a very sad thing for those of us who prefer full realism.  There isn't any other home to go to right now for us.

If you like, you can turn on the stall limiter in the existing arena, you just won't have quite as much control as those without it.

Check out DCS WWII: Europe 1944

I have enjoyed flying the P-51 in full realism. IMHO. :salute

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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #145 on: April 11, 2014, 05:12:46 PM »
And BTW HTC, with all due respect. Competition is GOOD.  :D

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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #146 on: April 11, 2014, 05:15:50 PM »
And BTW HTC, with all due respect. Competition is GOOD.  :D

So, sincerely Sir, why are you here? Is this a big advertising campaign? :bhead
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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #147 on: April 11, 2014, 05:27:34 PM »
The problem with that (if it is a problem from your perspective) is that limited realism arenas dominate when they are an option and that is followed by people going where the numbers are.  You end up with a heavily populated limited realism arena and a nearly empty full realism arena.

That is fine and all, but it would a very sad thing for those of us who prefer full realism.  There isn't any other home to go to right now for us.

If you like, you can turn on the stall limiter in the existing arena, you just won't have quite as much control as those without it.

After reading your post, that almost sounds like it's admitting a problem.

Sort of like "We can't let the slaves be free, because they'll enjoy their freedom and never come back if we give it to them."

If relaxed-realism is where the market is going, then be assured: this game needs to go there to or it will die.

Directly to the point, relaxed-realism is better, both historically and in my personal opinion, for gaming purposes. There are so many non-realistic aspects of Aces High that even it fails to model actual WWII combat accurately. The few things that are modeled (that other games do not model) typically tend to make a very complicated mess out of something that's very easy to do in real life.

Example? Cockpit-only views.

The user either has to
a) Spend $100 for TrackIR, take weeks to learn the setup, and then wear a hat (or other device) for gameplay,
b) Build their own tracking software, spending money for the materals, take weeks to learn the setup... and wear a hat (or other device) for gameplay,
c) Use a non-intuitive hatswitch+multi-key combination to get limited 45* views, or
d) Not adapt and fly at a disadvantage.

Many of us would laugh at thinking the above is complex (I personally run TrackIR and find it very easy to use), but for your average user, this is beyond ridiculous. And for what advantage? To say that "we're realistic"? The only functional limitation of cockpit-only views is shooting over the cowling and lead-turning someone at close range.

In real life, it's comparatively effortless to track another plane while flying, much more so than this game makes it.

Giving players access to a full-forward view, combined with a padlock view (not the limited version we have now) makes the game that much more accessible to new players. So what if it's easy to shoot close range? Is it "realistic"? No, but it's no less realistic than Spitfires fighting Spitfires or 109K-4's getting 1-shot kills on a fighter at 200yds. And don't get me started on the chess-piece teams (which I believe damages attractiveness to prospective players, including myself at one time, greatly).

In the meantime, you've just lost multiple potential new subscribers.

And so on.

Full-realism rarely scales well in sims. Trying to limit players' access to a relaxed-realism arena, acknowledging that they wouldn't play with you given the option, is a very sad admission and a very self-defeating position to take.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2014, 06:11:39 PM by Skyyr »
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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #148 on: April 11, 2014, 05:33:12 PM »
^ That was well written.

I don't play the game with Track IR,  I have sat there, imagining moving my head, and simply feel that i would be dogfighting looking out of the corner of my eye, in a silly hat.  :joystick:
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Re: This game is dead unless things change
« Reply #149 on: April 11, 2014, 05:41:56 PM »
Last thing im going to say, there was another player in the TA at the time who also wanted to see said move but then went of to play WOT. This is how we loose players, which was proven as that player went to go play another game because of what was happening in the TA.

I am NOT trying to say that ALL trainers act in this manner and most of them I have had a good experience with.


  The pair of you told me to backup my claim! Then proceeded to place paramiters that didnt exist.

   You made the claim that it breaks the laws of physics,etc. then as I was using the BRD with another player all I said was "see it works and doesnt even break the laws of physics....."

 Face it your feelings got hurt,you infered I said that you were flying wrong and proceeded to badger me over that. Then you come here and infer I chased both of you away,when all I did was ignore you.


   I'm not sure why I'm letting this get to me,maybe I need to take a step back for awhile.



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