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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2014, 09:36:36 PM »
Yes Lusche. It is the reason I didn't initially speak of why the change. I Wanted to have an completely none biased test.

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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2014, 09:41:31 PM »
Spying? Why is everyone worried about spying?
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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2014, 09:43:41 PM »
Yes Lusche. It is the reason I didn't initially speak of why the change. I Wanted to have an completely none biased test.

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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #63 on: May 03, 2014, 09:46:01 PM »
This is very close to my opinion, including the 6 hour, I do not know for sure if 6 hours works as well as 12, but I do know from stats, 1 hour  does not work well. Most people assume that the limit was raised do to "spying issues". It was nothing to do with it. It is a simple fact that our stats show less of country imbalances with 12 hour vs 1 hour time limits with 1 hour the countries seem to always be out of balance. And the swings are constantly moving to different countries. With 12 hours the % of the swings are a lot less and the frequency of swings are less frequent.

I also understand the desire to be able to fly in the morning on week ends, and change again flying in the evening. And I have no problem with that concept. But I am also fairly sure that changing to 6 hours would have 0 impact on the amount of complaints and we would still have the same amount of gnashing of teeth for 1 hour, even though I know 1 hour creates greater country imbalance vs longer.

So things may or may not change in the future, but things will not change to any thing close to 1 hour. The value chosen is base on the damping effect of oscillation do to players changing side along and with desire to keep the time long enough that an immediate change and change back can not be used for a strategic advantage.

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was confused there.  being foreigner myself gnashing doesn even look like a word.


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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #64 on: May 03, 2014, 09:52:16 PM »
was confused there.  being foreigner myself gnashing doesn even look like a word.


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I was confused as well... :huh
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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2014, 10:41:24 PM »
This is very close to my opinion, including the 6 hour, I do not know for sure if 6 hours works as well as 12, but I do know from stats, 1 hour  does not work well. Most people assume that the limit was raised do to "spying issues". It was nothing to do with it. It is a simple fact that our stats show less of country imbalances with 12 hour vs 1 hour time limits with 1 hour the countries seem to always be out of balance. And the swings are constantly moving to different countries. With 12 hours the % of the swings are a lot less and the frequency of swings are less frequent.

I also understand the desire to be able to fly in the morning on week ends, and change again flying in the evening. And I have no problem with that concept. But I am also fairly sure that changing to 6 hours would have 0 impact on the amount of complaints and we would still have the same amount of kn-ashing of teeth for 1 hour, even though I know 1 hour creates greater country imbalance vs longer.

So things may or may not change in the future, but things will not change to any thing close to 1 hour. The value chosen is base on the damping effect of oscillation do to players changing side along and with desire to keep the time long enough that an immediate change and change back can not be used for a strategic advantage.

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Thats reasonable and a pragmatic approach looking at the data and that's all anybody can ask. Had you posted this or just said you were looking into it a couple weeks back I personally would have backed off. Either way I'm glad you are weighing the options.

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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2014, 11:48:35 PM »
This is very close to my opinion, including the 6 hour, I do not know for sure if 6 hours works as well as 12, but I do know from stats, 1 hour  does not work well. Most people assume that the limit was raised do to "spying issues". It was nothing to do with it. It is a simple fact that our stats show less of country imbalances with 12 hour vs 1 hour time limits with 1 hour the countries seem to always be out of balance. And the swings are constantly moving to different countries. With 12 hours the % of the swings are a lot less and the frequency of swings are less frequent.

I also understand the desire to be able to fly in the morning on week ends, and change again flying in the evening. And I have no problem with that concept. But I am also fairly sure that changing to 6 hours would have 0 impact on the amount of complaints and we would still have the same amount of kn-ashing of teeth for 1 hour, even though I know 1 hour creates greater country imbalance vs longer.

So things may or may not change in the future, but things will not change to any thing close to 1 hour. The value chosen is base on the damping effect of oscillation do to players changing side along and with desire to keep the time long enough that an immediate change and change back can not be used for a strategic advantage.

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Thank you sir for giving a detailed response. I am happy that I was close to the mark.  :salute


wasnt saying that you did, you missed my point entirely.  Point being, I would hope that the only decisions that the manawar's of the gaming world influence is the decision to ban them.... Their ilk and their actions should have no bearing on gameplay policies, rules, etc. 

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My mistake then, and I agree.   :cheers:

was confused there.  being foreigner myself gnashing doesn even look like a word.


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:lol It does look like an incomplete word/misspelled word, never really noticed that before.
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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #67 on: May 04, 2014, 12:38:29 AM »
it is helpful that hitech knows and thinkin bout the issue.  :aok

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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #68 on: May 04, 2014, 06:23:30 AM »
Just allow switching to the low population side any time, no charge.  Keep 12 hour rule for switching to either of the other two teams.

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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #69 on: May 04, 2014, 11:17:26 AM »
Thats reasonable and a pragmatic approach looking at the data and that's all anybody can ask. Had you posted this or just said you were looking into it a couple weeks back I personally would have backed off. Either way I'm glad you are weighing the options.

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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #70 on: May 04, 2014, 11:29:07 AM »
Just allow switching to the low population side any time, no charge.  Keep 12 hour rule for switching to either of the other two teams.

I think this would be fine if we tweak it a little bit.

Instead of low pop side switch at any time, let's make it. You can switch there without using your '12 hour rule'. But must stay there.. 2-3 hours before switching again (and switching again would use your 12 hour timer, so your stuck there until your 2-3 hour timer is done).   Because of what HiTech said.
It is a simple fact that our stats show less of country imbalances with 12 hour vs 1 hour time limits with 1 hour the countries seem to always be out of balance. And the swings are constantly moving to different countries. With 12 hours the % of the swings are a lot less and the frequency of swings are less frequent.

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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #71 on: May 04, 2014, 01:50:28 PM »
I think this would be fine if we tweak it a little bit.

Instead of low pop side switch at any time, let's make it. You can switch there without using your '12 hour rule'. But must stay there.. 2-3 hours before switching again (and switching again would use your 12 hour timer, so your stuck there until your 2-3 hour timer is done).   Because of what HiTech said.

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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #72 on: May 04, 2014, 01:53:28 PM »
HT has said why...........can we give it a rest now :bhead

Can't you put anything productive besides complaints of others debating on topic?

Giving him material or ideas to work with is something that will assist him in 'fixing' this, and making it so these posts don't show up anymore. Whining for people to 'stop' does nothing.
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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #73 on: May 04, 2014, 02:26:17 PM »
Can't you put anything productive besides complaints of others debating on topic?

Giving him material or ideas to work with is something that will assist him in 'fixing' this, and making it so these posts don't show up anymore. Whining for people to 'stop' does nothing.

This. Be productive hawker or don't post at all.

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Re: Switch Sides Anytime You Want... for Perks...
« Reply #74 on: May 04, 2014, 03:41:47 PM »
  I just want to say I appreciate Hitech stepping in and setting the story straight.  It helps a lot to understand why things are the way they are.   :salute