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Offline Someguy63

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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #105 on: May 07, 2014, 10:47:24 AM »
They were independent. No need to improve them as they worked well. Aileron snatching caused by asymmetric deployment of the slats was a problem on the Emil, but they redesigned the wing on the Friedrich.

I see I thought maybe the jittering in one direction caused by independent deployment was something they'd wanna fix, but like you said, nope! :)
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #106 on: May 07, 2014, 10:53:12 AM »
Common mistake. Slats don't add lift, so there is no "jittering" if one deploys and not the other. Slats just delay stall allowing higher angles of attack before stalling.
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #107 on: May 07, 2014, 12:21:17 PM »
Common mistake. Slats don't add lift, so there is no "jittering" if one deploys and not the other. Slats just delay stall allowing higher angles of attack before stalling.

Ok, now I truly understand. But I'm confused as to that movement caused by them when they deploy in AH is unrealistic?
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #108 on: May 07, 2014, 12:24:46 PM »
Ok, now I truly understand But I'm confused as to that movement caused by them when they deploy in AH is unrealistic?

As to how it works in real life.

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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #109 on: May 07, 2014, 01:09:30 PM »
I can't say I've noticed any movement of the aircraft in AH when the slats deploy.
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #110 on: May 07, 2014, 01:19:27 PM »
I can't say I've noticed any movement of the aircraft in AH when the slats deploy.

You haven't??
That's why I used the word "jittering" to describe it when the slats deploy.
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #111 on: May 07, 2014, 01:21:11 PM »
It's been a while since I've played, but I can't remember noticing it. Perhaps I'm just used to it.
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #112 on: May 07, 2014, 01:24:53 PM »
It's been a while since I've played, but I can't remember noticing it. Perhaps I'm just used to it.

Makes sense, I don't recall it happening to me in the past few days either, know it has of course.
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #113 on: May 07, 2014, 01:26:23 PM »
In real life there was a shock from the mass of the slats suddenly being slammed against the stops, and that was felt in the stick (and probably the whole airframe) and the sound could be heard over the engine's roar, but the aircraft didn't change direction in any way.
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #114 on: May 07, 2014, 01:30:38 PM »
Makes sense, I don't recall it happening to me in the past few days either, know it has of course.
didnt notice it happening in the 109g6 yesterday either u know before u guys rudely ganged it and blew it to a million pieces :cheers:
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #115 on: May 07, 2014, 01:50:56 PM »
In real life there was a shock from the mass of the slats suddenly being slammed against the stops, and that was felt in the stick (and probably the whole airframe) and the sound could be heard over the engine's roar, but the aircraft didn't change direction in any way.

Oh yeah it doesn't change direction at all it simply causes the wings to rock side to side when they deploy/retract. It can only momentarily mess up one's aim.

didnt notice it happening in the 109g6 yesterday either u know before u guys rudely ganged it and blew it to a million pieces :cheers:
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #116 on: May 07, 2014, 03:01:41 PM »
OK I have to ask. You P-38 experts come across a 109K4 who is as good as you. Co-Alt, Co-energy....ect

How do you fight them? You K4 experten? Feel free to explain your tactics visa-versa.
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #117 on: May 07, 2014, 05:00:12 PM »
Oh yeah it doesn't change direction at all it simply causes the wings to rock side to side when they deploy/retract. It can only momentarily mess up one's aim.
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At 0:45 you can see the slats open. It's not that big an event really. Great film btw.
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #118 on: May 08, 2014, 12:33:03 AM »
I always get a minor wobble when the slats open, if they don't open at the same time. Pretty smooth when both open at the same time.
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Re: If You Like 109's
« Reply #119 on: May 08, 2014, 08:25:09 AM »
I always get a minor wobble when the slats open, if they don't open at the same time. Pretty smooth when both open at the same time.


Scholz showed me via that video that the slats cause no movement of the aircraft upon deployment. And I'm still supposing that this feature in AH is incorrect since they deploy only a split second before/after each other.

OK I have to ask. You P-38 experts come across a 109K4 who is as good as you. Co-Alt, Co-energy....ect

How do you fight them? You K4 experten? Feel free to explain your tactics visa-versa.

I'm no P38 pilot, but to be in a K4 the last thing I'd want to do is try and out turn him. I'd rather get the fight to slow speeds where that heavy 38 doesn't fare so well.
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