Bomber Combat simulation in Aces High

[Traveler]

Early on in the actual World War II the 8th Air Force reversed it's decision to fly bombers into Germany un-escorted after having more than 100 bombers shot down in one mission alone.  It was proven that un-escorted bombers were easy kills for the (at that time superior Germane fighters)  With that thought in mind how is it that one set of three bombers in AH is able to fight off two or three fighters taking little or no damage un-escorted.  Something must be wrong with the combat simulation model in AH.   What's the difference other than one pilot controlling three heavy bombers .   Could it be the three or four sets of guns firing in sync.   Right now it feels like air combat between fighters and bombers in AH is lop sided unfairly in favor of the bombers.

[Volron]

 

Wow.  Just....wow.

I beg to differ.  Where is Lusche when ye need him?

[Lucifer]

HTC is working on debugging the Mk108 atm : soon its gonna be different times for those "fatasses" ! 

Early on in the actual World War II the 8th Air Force reversed it's decision to fly bombers into Germany un-escorted after having more than 100 bombers shot down in one mission alone.  It was proven that un-escorted bombers were easy kills for the (at that time superior Germane fighters)  With that thought in mind how is it that one set of three bombers in AH is able to fight off two or three fighters taking little or no damage un-escorted.  Something must be wrong with the combat simulation model in AH.   What's the difference other than one pilot controlling three heavy bombers .   Could it be the three or four sets of guns firing in sync.   Right now it feels like air combat between fighters and bombers in AH is lop sided unfairly in favor of the bombers.

[Traveler]

Wow.  Just....wow.

I beg to differ.  Where is Lusche when ye need him?

What is it that you beg to differ on, the fact that the Brits had to go to night bombing because there unescorted bombers loses were so large as to stop all day light bombing missions.  Or the fact that US 8th Air Force stopped un-escorted bombers operations after losing over a 1000 men in one raid alone.  

No where in any bomber formation would three gunners be able to sync their guns on one target it just wasn't possible.   It worked only in theory, but in actual combat they were being blown out of the sky.  

[XxDaSTaRxx]

It isn't really that buff's guns are overpowered. It really depends on the aircraft, full, 1 extra or no drones, and who is behind the gunsight.

I've seen really bad gunners in B-17s who get shot down by 109F-4's and I've seen gunners who can take out a 163/262 in a blink of an aye as it whirs by at 400 mph.

Some of the bomber gunners will poke your eye out if you get near them.

( Contrary to popular belief diving on a plane with a top turret isn't the best idea!   )

[Traveler]

It isn't really that buff's guns are overpowered. It really depends on the aircraft, full, 1 extra or no drones, and who is behind the gunsight.

I've seen really bad gunners in B-17s who get shot down by 109F-4's and I've seen gunners who can take out a 163/262 in a blink of an aye as it whirs by at 400 mph.

Some of the bomber gunners will poke your eye out if you get near them.

( Contrary to popular belief diving on a plane with a top turret isn't the best idea!  )

I understand and it is only a game, but it’s touted as a combat simulation, what’s being simulated in the air combat between a bomber group with synced guns putting out a wall of fire and a fighter is just not a real simulation.    So I’m not sure   what’s being simulated at that point?     

[WWhiskey]

Some people drive right up the guns,, they die a lot, others set up and make good solid attack runs,, one of the things I try to do is take the guns out first, if I'm not diving down from 12 high ripping the wings off of them.
I doubt many German fighter pilots would tell you how easy it was to attack bomber formations!

[Volron]

Someone had a sig that had a quote from a German Pilot.  It went something like this...

"I had fun dogfighting a Spitfire, even forgetting that I could die.  But when I look down upon a bomber stream of Flying Fortresses, my life would flash before my eyes."

[Traveler]

Some people drive right up the guns,, they die a lot, others set up and make good solid attack runs,, one of the things I try to do is take the guns out first, if I'm not diving down from 12 high ripping the wings off of them.
I doubt many German fighter pilots would tell you how easy it was to attack bomber formations!

First, I never said that any German pilot said it was easy to attack a bomber formation.   I said that the reality of WWII was that un-escorted bombers were shot down in very large numbers, so many that the Brits went to night bombing raids only and the US changed it's policy of un-escorted raids into Germany.   AH is a combat simulation and for the most part does a great job, however, the simulations of combat between Bomber and fighter is just not right.

[Traveler]

Someone had a sig that had a quote from a German Pilot.  It went something like this...

"I had fun dogfighting a Spitfire, even forgetting that I could die.  But when I look down upon a bomber stream of Flying Fortresses, my life would flash before my eyes."

I'm pretty sure that any sane person has those thoughts before going into any type of combat, I know I did in Viet Nam, I know my Father did in WWII.  The fact is that un-escorted bombers did not do very well.  It would seem however that un-escorted bombers in AH do OK. If this is a simulation of air combat of WWII aircraft, how is it the result is different for un-escorted bombers.

[whiteman]

I think it's "you're doing it wrong" is what the kids would say.

[fbEagle]

I know its hard for a lot of people to hear but this is a game, NOT ACTUALLY WORLD WAR TWO!    

[FLS]

Traveler how does your unescorted bomber do? Are you killing everyone too easily or is it a different issue?

[SmokinLoon]

FYI:  the guns are only in sync at 500 yards   

Bombers are sitting ducks for a capable fighter.  Any fighter with worthy enough cannon can make short work of a bomber.  A US fighter with the 6//50's can do almost as well especially if the fighter's convergence is set right.

No.... I don't think much needs to be changed in terms of bomber vs fighter combat.  If anything needs to be changed it is the ease in which bombers can deliver destruction.  It is too easy to hit targets.  Im almost thinking manual calibration would be nice.  The auto calibrate bit offers very little challenge and very little planning.

[Traveler]

Traveler how does your unescorted bomber do? Are you killing everyone too easily or is it a different issue?

I don't fly bombers and I don't attack bombers.  Having watched to many times over the years where the lazer guns just plain wipe everyone out.