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Offline Bodhi

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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2014, 05:00:46 PM »
Wow Bodhi! You actually have combat experience with swords, axes and other martial arms?  :O

I'm very impressed! Tell us all about it!  :aok

Please find where I claimed to have experience or expertise identifying "combat ready weapons" as they relate to this thread.  I can save you time by telling you I have not and will not make such a statement. 

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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2014, 05:43:00 PM »
 I have a very nice epee!    It doesnt even have a blunted tip so it's not allowed in fencing!


      I call it the french pickel stabber!     The wife wont let me play with sharp things,she keeps saying "you'll shoot your eye out!"    :rolleyes:    I keep saying"dont you mean poke?"
 

   She just smiles......


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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2014, 05:47:27 PM »
I have a very nice epee!    It doesnt even have a blunted tip so it's not allowed in fencing!


      I call it the french pickel stabber!     The wife wont let me play with sharp things,she keeps saying "you'll shoot your eye out!"    :rolleyes:    I keep saying"dont you mean poke?"
 

   She just smiles......


   :salute
 

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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2014, 05:56:04 PM »
Please find where I claimed to have experience or expertise identifying "combat ready weapons" as they relate to this thread.  I can save you time by telling you I have not and will not make such a statement. 


So if you have no experience or expertise in the area, why did you join the topic? Just to troll people participating in a discussion (an interesting one, IMO)?
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2014, 06:23:37 PM »
Please find where I claimed to have experience or expertise identifying "combat ready weapons" as they relate to this thread.  I can save you time by telling you I have not and will not make such a statement.  

No my post was obviously sarcastic. A sword can be combat ready/worthy/whatever without the owner actually being a swordsman or having combat experience. And the owner can identify the sword as such simply by consulting literature on the subject. Just like a gun owner can recognize that a gun is loaded and ready for use regardless of his shooting skills or combat experience. It's not rocket science...
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2014, 08:01:42 PM »
I have a lots of sticks that are combat ready



I mean, I would lose, but they are ready to hit things with
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2014, 08:41:51 PM »
Just a comment, but the guards here look a bit too thin. I'd be concerned a solid blow striking down will break them. Compare it to this:



See how much more robust the guard is?
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2014, 08:48:12 PM »
Yes, you are right. It is a very rugged hardwood but still a good blow will break the guard on the two hander.  I prefer how mine look, that is the reason, though I expect with enough broken evidence I will switch to the slide on method over the drill through.

My other solution is to line the guard with a steel rod. I think I will try this first.

This isn't mine but I love the look of this practice sword. It has the more substantial guard but looks good for it. I don't like the one you posted as much, it looks more like a toy to me, probably because it looks machine tooled.

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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2014, 09:20:19 PM »
Trust me, it's no toy. I have one, and it's a very solid waster with a lot of weight to it. I've done a good bit of heavy-contact sparring, and the only problem I have is that my steel gauntlets like to chew up the grip a bit.

I'm not sure of the manufacturing method, but I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume it has to be machined. I don't disagree that's probably how it was made, but only because of the volume the company has to produce to meet the demand. Never underestimate what a skilled woodworker can do with hand tools.
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2014, 10:11:01 PM »
 Oh I don't doubt that it is a formidable weapon, just that I don't like the aesthetics so much. I am an experienced wood worker, that is why I am fairly certain it's been machined. Perhaps I am wrong, but I'm not afraid of that.

 Those swords I posted above are for fighting, otherwise they would be sanded down to 800, coated with bee's wax and buffed till you could shave in them. That's how my longbows end up if I want them to look really good.
 But what I am making here is going to be smashed and slashed into shields and helmets and other swords. No one in their right mind would go to the trouble of hand tooling something to that level that was going to be fought with.

 I'm not saying there is anything wrong with having that sword for sparring, just that I prefer spending a few hours hand crafting one that pleases me aesthetically far more. Just personal preference. I'm very interested in your sparring, anything you could teach me would be valuable if you had a mind to share.
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2014, 11:09:49 PM »
I'd start by finding a group that studies longsword in your area. You'll generally find two "schools" being taught: Italian, based primarily on the treatise of Fiore dei Liberi; and German, most of which is in the "tradition" of Johannes von Liechtenauer (mainly taught via manuscripts by Ringeck, Talhoffer and Meyer, as all that survives of Liechtenauer is a later copy of the merkverse he used to encode his teachings to prevent them from falling into the "wrong hands." This stuff was serious business, and the politics of the Medieval fencing guilds alone is kind of fascinating). However in truth the Italians and Germans are both teaching one very closely-related system and there's not really much difference between them. This is particularly evident when you include what little is known about the somewhat fragmentary English tradition, which shares a substantial amount with the Germans. Buying modern translations/transcriptions of the manuscripts could be an alternative, and there's some available online, but it's better to have a more experienced practitioner to study with.

As for actual tips; learn the guards, and don't take a step without shifting into a new one as this keeps your opponent guessing on where your attack is coming from. One of the biggest flaws I see is when fencers stay in one guard too long. Additionally, some techniques and strikes work better from one guard than another. Cuts from the left are a bit harder to pull off from Right Vom Tag (sword hilt at or slightly below the right shoulder, blade angled slightly behind you) than from the left.

Also, be aware of the mechanics of cutting from the shoulder, the elbow and wrist; cuts from the shoulder are slower but more powerful cleaving blows, while cutting from the wrist is quicker but more reliant on slices. This is REALLY important for the longsword, as most inexperienced fencers seem stuck on shoulder cuts. Keep in mind how the hands work together as well. Your front hand is just the fulcrum when handling the sword. Much of your power and control is actually going to come from your trailing hand. Position on the grip is a matter of personal preference, though I prefer to rest the trailing hand on the pommel (my swords have scent-stopper pommels like the one on that waster pic I posted, which GREATLY facilitates this as it gives me a nice shelf to rest on. I mainly grip the trailing hand with the space between my thumb and index finger, so I'm actually barely holding on at all). This gives me a lot more leverage, and allows me to put a good amount of force even into wrist cuts due to the push-pull action.
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2014, 12:38:03 AM »
I'd start by finding a group that studies longsword in your area. You'll generally find two "schools" being taught: Italian, based primarily on the treatise of Fiore dei Liberi; and German, most of which is in the "tradition" of Johannes von Liechtenauer (mainly taught via manuscripts by Ringeck, Talhoffer and Meyer, as all that survives of Liechtenauer is a later copy of the merkverse he used to encode his teachings to prevent them from falling into the "wrong hands." This stuff was serious business, and the politics of the Medieval fencing guilds alone is kind of fascinating). However in truth the Italians and Germans are both teaching one very closely-related system and there's not really much difference between them. This is particularly evident when you include what little is known about the somewhat fragmentary English tradition, which shares a substantial amount with the Germans. Buying modern translations/transcriptions of the manuscripts could be an alternative, and there's some available online, but it's better to have a more experienced practitioner to study with.

As for actual tips; learn the guards, and don't take a step without shifting into a new one as this keeps your opponent guessing on where your attack is coming from. One of the biggest flaws I see is when fencers stay in one guard too long. Additionally, some techniques and strikes work better from one guard than another. Cuts from the left are a bit harder to pull off from Right Vom Tag (sword hilt at or slightly below the right shoulder, blade angled slightly behind you) than from the left.

Also, be aware of the mechanics of cutting from the shoulder, the elbow and wrist; cuts from the shoulder are slower but more powerful cleaving blows, while cutting from the wrist is quicker but more reliant on slices. This is REALLY important for the longsword, as most inexperienced fencers seem stuck on shoulder cuts. Keep in mind how the hands work together as well. Your front hand is just the fulcrum when handling the sword. Much of your power and control is actually going to come from your trailing hand. Position on the grip is a matter of personal preference, though I prefer to rest the trailing hand on the pommel (my swords have scent-stopper pommels like the one on that waster pic I posted, which GREATLY facilitates this as it gives me a nice shelf to rest on. I mainly grip the trailing hand with the space between my thumb and index finger, so I'm actually barely holding on at all). This gives me a lot more leverage, and allows me to put a good amount of force even into wrist cuts due to the push-pull action.

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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2014, 01:01:22 AM »
So if you have no experience or expertise in the area, why did you join the topic? Just to troll people participating in a discussion (an interesting one, IMO)?

I found the discussion interesting as well.  The comment about "combat ready weapons" did not fit the discussion in my opinion. 

Would you like a tissue now or is he not capable of defending himself?
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2014, 08:35:24 AM »
Great stuff, thanks Sax. Give us a year or so and you might see some half decent fights posted!
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Re: Ink... You made virtual weapons...
« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2014, 01:25:46 PM »
I found the discussion interesting as well.  The comment about "combat ready weapons" did not fit the discussion in my opinion.  

Would you like a tissue now or is he not capable of defending himself?

are you seriously this ignorant.... :headscratch:

"INK...You made Virtual weapons....What if someone did it the other way round"

you have reading comprehension problems huh....

why don't you go ask your momma to read the whole thread for you and maybe she can show you how much of an idiot you look like.