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Offline SmokinLoon

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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2014, 07:40:24 PM »
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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2014, 07:57:59 PM »
Well, it is very... Luftwaffe...  :uhoh
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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2014, 01:06:37 AM »
I have a laminated copy of that photo :old:
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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2014, 01:08:45 AM »
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is this some form of entertaintment or am i wrong?
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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2014, 06:01:53 AM »
Quote from: Kingpin on June 02, 2014, 06:47:06 PM

If you hit just one stabilizer with one 30mm round, why would the whole tail come off?  Remember, the Mk108 30mm cannon has a great deal of dispersion, even at relatively close ranges, meaning you could center your pipper on his tail, see the big pumpkin hit-sprite on his tail-section, but the round could easily have impacted on either horizontal stabilizer.

I find dead-six tater-shooting particularly difficult for this reason, and prefer to set up some off-angle to get a wing hit, if I can, especially on robust birds like the P-47.

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Um, yeah.
  There was a reason the allies called the mk 108 "the pneumatic hammer"...

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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2014, 10:07:40 PM »
Quote from: craz07 on June 07, 2014, 01:08:45 AM
is this some form of entertaintment or am i wrong?

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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2014, 04:01:05 AM »
I like the "like a G6" tater song  :rock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3ex9wWCNto

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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2014, 05:58:41 AM »
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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2014, 02:26:03 PM »
I wonder why the pic's text says "its low muzzle velocity rendered is unsuitable for ground strafing.

Why is that a thing?

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Um, yeah.
  There was a reason the allies called the mk 108 "the pneumatic hammer"...



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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2014, 03:03:54 PM »
mk108 did not explode on contact if my memory serves me right.
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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2014, 03:25:54 PM »
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mk108 did not explode on contact if my memory serves me right.


Wouldn't it just go right through an unarmored airframe then?
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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2014, 03:59:28 PM »
You should probably ask Hitech which detonator he is modeling for the MK108. Also since he is loading a mixed belt of 1 day tracer for 2 non-tracer. He is shooting two different ballistic coefficient rounds due more to the ogive and tail shape of the day tracer round than the loss of mass from tracer burn.

Duplex - Contact explosion
VC70   - Delayed explosion - About 10cm of travel after penetration of the skin.

Anyone who reloads can see the issues with the first round's ogive and tail shape opposed to the second round with day tracer.

Non-tracer



Day tracer.

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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #57 on: June 09, 2014, 04:23:37 PM »
Quote from: bangsbox on June 09, 2014, 02:26:03 PM
I wonder why the pic's text says "its low muzzle velocity rendered is unsuitable for ground strafing.

Why is that a thing?



I would imagine that is because it didn't have the kinetic energy to penetrate objects as well as some other rounds.  It seems to be enough to penetrate an aluminum airframe, however  :devil

Quote from: Muzzy on June 09, 2014, 03:25:54 PM
Wouldn't it just go right through an unarmored airframe then?


No doubt.  It seems to me that, even if it didn't detonate, the damage is caused by what debris it picks-up on the way out the other side, creating a larger exit hole.  Also, once there is a large hole in the airframe, the structural integrity of the plane becomes compromised and exposed to stresses that it wasn't meant to handle.
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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #58 on: June 09, 2014, 04:25:37 PM »
Interesting. So it really is just throwing a bowling ball and hoping it hits.
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Re: 30mm tater.
« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2014, 04:49:14 PM »
If I'm not mistaken incendiary MK108 shells often had hydrostatic fuses, exploding in contact with fuel. Self-sealing fuel tanks were useless against them, obviously!
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